0 house edge bet? No?

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  1. Scott venedam, May 10, 2018

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    Very simple. You can go for or against the shooter.. 10pass 10 don' pass then jist take odds on whichever way you want to play.. zero house edge.. yes you'l lose 10$ on a 12 come out but if that' the only downfall 1-36. Seems fairly simple.. no? No system ever works but this takes the house edge totally. Please comment
     
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  2. Onautopilot, May 10, 2018

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    Actually the HA is less if you just pick one side, but not enough to have a panic attack over. :)
     
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    I'd bet for the shooter but all bets pay more unless he 12. I feel though on most rolls you' risk say 10$ odds so hits a couple and you'l do great
     
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  4. von duck, May 11, 2018

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    Your negative edge is 1/2 bet per 36 rolls, or one bet in 72. Somewhere around -1.4% Takes people years to figure that out!
     
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    So at this point I'm literally 50 50 no? If it comes an even number I drop at 5 on the hard way to cover my total loss all going well. Or its a win like a 4 take 60 to pay 30 then put a 5$ hard four. So now just 2 ways to lose and if the hard hits then I lose but recoup 35 back so only down 25 not 60... seems viable to me.
     
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  7. von duck, May 11, 2018

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    Playing which way? :confused: And when they figure it out, they still do not know what it "MEANS".
     
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    Nice play, we'll see you at the pawn shop. :)
     
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    :confused: :)
     
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    Change of heart? :confused: :)
     
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  11. Chip Magnet, May 11, 2018

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    The house edge when betting the PL and the DP at the same time is 2.77%, not zero. The house edge, is the 1 in 36 times the twelve rolls. 1/36= 0.02777. The house edge with an odds bet on either side is higher when betting this way, versus betting one side only and taking or laying odds.
     
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    No, this is incorrect. The house edge is right at 1.39%. Think about it. For 36 come-outs you have to place 72 bets 36 DOs and 36 Don't s. You will lose one of the DOs, that is not covered by a don't win. 1 bet in 72 is lost. There is no house edge "theoretically" on the odds bet either way, but if you play only one way, you will get 72 odds bets for the one unit lost, assuming your not going to take the odds bet both ways. The trade off, is in lower deviation, if you go with the Dewy/don't. This is probably your best game-plan, if you wish to come out on the positive side, but it's a pretty slow grind, that most don't have the patience for. Lower deviation is what I strive for in any game, as this compliments my betting strategies, and is an annoyance to most dealers, so it's like killing two birds with one stone. :) I do recommend you play the odds bet on the don't side, lower payoffs, but an easier bet to win. :cool:
     
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    You are making 72 bets, but 36 of those bets don’t count. They are on the DP, which is never in play because it is neutralized by the offsetting PL. The DP is guaranteed to either be offset, or push, for a zero gain or loss. Those 36 DP bets don’t count. They only serve to offset the Pl, 35 out of 36 rolls.

    The only bets in play are the 36 PL bets.

    The only bets you can lose are the 36 PL bets, which will not be offset one time in 36 rolls, for a 2.777% house edge.
     
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  14. Onautopilot, May 11, 2018

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    The two bets stand alone, they are individual bets no matter who places them. The HA doesn't change! There is no symbiotic effect by making the two bets yourself.
     
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    It's in my book.....the doey-don't is the lowest HA bet you can make to hedge the Don't....Chip Magnet is correct...the HA is 2.8%

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    1.4% . One bet out of 72 total bets lose.
     
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    Chip magnet is wrong, and so are you. If you make 36 come bets, and 36 don't bets, that's 72 bets. You figure to lose 1 of the 72 bets. Damn! The H/E is 1.39%. What do you not understand?
     
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    And I Suspect the rest of the info in the book is about as accurate, and valuable as this. You are absolutely dead wrong. And we've been over this thing, a dozen times. What is so difficult?
     
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  19. basicstrategy777, May 11, 2018

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    So HA only apply's when you lose?.......or does it apply only when you win ?.......or does HA apply on every bet you make.......


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    Total bet handle X EV = expected loss.
     
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