32 Across. How many hits and down?

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  1. Mugs050, Mar 23, 2016

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    Been experiencing with a 33 across two hits and down. Wait for a 7 even if point is made then reload. Thoughts? Expectations? Stop Loss $100 , Goal $100.
     
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  2. Onautopilot, Mar 23, 2016

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    How did you get $33, are you buying the 10-4 for 50 cents each?
     
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    That would not be my choice of play, but if you like it, no problem.

    It has some potential downside volatility......bet a lot to win a little. You are also at a 2+% HA with this play.

    But you are favored to get your two hits before a seven shows......most of the time. :)
     
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  4. basicstrategy777, Mar 23, 2016

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    Walking up to a table and betting across is stupid, IMHO.

    You can lose too much, too quick.......and the amount of hits you will need to get back to even after 3 quick 7 outs are many.

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    Stupid, is a relative term I think. :)
     
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  6. wonko33, Mar 23, 2016

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    yeah those low wins, possible big loss "systems" are devastating when you lose a few in a row. You just can't make it back up with those small positives
     
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  7. basicstrategy777, Mar 23, 2016

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    It's just my opinion OAP .

    You know I'm right. It's like doing a cannonball into an empty pool.

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  8. wonko33, Mar 23, 2016

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    When you start playing craps, it's hard not to want to do that though, you want all the action right away. Takes a few bad outings to beat that out of your system.

    How about you BS777? Do you have a "setup" you go to when you get the right vibe from the table or are you more of a jump and press the repeaters kinda player?

    Like you said you have a nose for sensing the big hand, how do you bet when you see it coming?
     
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  9. Mugs050, Mar 23, 2016

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    Lots of comments on this thread so I will try to respond to all:

    -OAP: Typo should of been 32 like my title states.
    -Basic: What other methods would you suggest? Just something I have been toying with seems to work pretty well on getting your $100 before a loss. Not a huge money maker though.
    -Wonko: Not looking to make it back once I have hit a few bad ones in a row. I lose my $100 and walk away. From what I have observed and based on the stated odds of how long each player rolls until a 7 is 6 rolls. So take away the point and the eventual 7, that gives you an average of 4 rolls to make money. Playing across you have a 60% chance of making those numbers. So on average you should hit two numbers before a 7. Now I get it Losing $32 would mean you would need to hit 5 of your 5,6,8,9 numbers to make it back. But again this is a make $100, lose a $100 scenario. So far I have seen the $100 come up more then the loss. I am going to try it in Vegas in May where my goal is to just have some drinks, some fun, play at the table for awhile and hopefully walkaway with some house cash to throw in the odd slot here and there while exploring.

    What I have noticed minus the pass line/don't pass line bet there is no long lasting, exciting betting strategy that won't smoke you in the pocket more times then not. I have read a lot about other peoples methods on this forum and all of them have the tendency to take a bank roll out quickly. Also I am not a believer in dice influence, not with having to hit that back wall on each roll.
     
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  10. basicstrategy777, Mar 23, 2016

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    W......I qualify the shooter then I start very slowly with PL and come bets with no odds, initially......My basicstrategy is focused on preventing losses very early in the hand, as most hands are resolved very early; this is very important to me......Then keep going thru the come box with ever increasing odds, then replace come bets with place bets, then off on everything just before a 7 out. I'll have all numbers covered eventually.

    I think a slow going in strategy or something like Kokomo does, is the way to go. You will likely make a bigger score with his play then mine.

    Of course, there is no right way......ultimately, it just depends on whats important to you.

    There are certain truths to the game, most, if not all, are math dependent.

    Look at what those truths are and build a strategy around them. In my book I briefly spell out this idea.

    And the more years you have in your pocket, the more your game will evolve and it will pretty much settle in. Caveat: we all go a little crazy at times when we play.

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  11. Craps Poopshoot, Mar 23, 2016

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    The guys who wrote the book, Learn to Play Craps from Part-time Dice Pros use a very similar approach that they claim was how they paid their way though Law School. I now that TableTop used that method recently with quite the success.

    The way I play it is like this, however you should modify it to your own like and comfort level.

    22 insides, two hits or 4 rolls then take it down and wait the seven to appear before repeating the bet cycle.
    If you start on a $3 table then it is $12 insides. Might be the best way to start if you are boot strapping this bankroll building adventure.

    Once I get $22 profit I then only bet the profit and start to progress it.

    22, 44, 66 then I might just stop there go in to bankroll building for a while. Ill play this way up and down Fremont Street/Downtown LV - no players club card. I keep it low level and I don't play long - 3 or 4 wins then move on. I simply don't want heat or to be remembered by them. Come back when a different shift is running the tables.

    If I am to shoot, then I just bet the pass and don't pass, and still do the insides as I do on everyone else.

    General rule of thumb is to watch the table for a roll or two before you buy-in. If something happens that you don't like or raises a red flag, pull your bets down and leave.

    If you lose it, you start over at 22. Don't play any other bets, and keep your tipping low.

    On The Strip I do the same thing but just up the level.

    If the casino gives you free play, ask to convert it to chips and then do it with THEIR money.
     
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  12. wonko33, Mar 23, 2016

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    I've never played on 3$ tables
    - you place 3$ on 6 and 8 pays $3.50 --> they have 50cent chips?
    - you place 3$ on 5 and 9 what's the payout? 4$ ?
     
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  13. Craps Poopshoot, Mar 23, 2016

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    Yep. Fremont Casino in Downtown Las Vegas has 50 cent chips, so does El Cortez. The stupid Tribal casinos don't, so you get ripped off.
    Bubble craps will pay to the pennies level for a $1 base bet.
     
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    How do you qualify a shooter ? If you don't mind sharing.
     
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  16. basicstrategy777, Mar 23, 2016

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    It's pretty standard stuff.

    I'm not on a shooter until he has demonstrated he can win.

    He must make his point or roll a natural on the come-out.

    I've seen the dice go to 15 shooters and no one qualified; many people lost many dollars. I lost nothing.

    A winning streak starts with the first win.

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  17. Craps Poopshoot, Mar 23, 2016

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    That is right out of the Dice Doctors book, and I use this method too when I am betting right-sided.

    Works amazingly well!
     
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  18. Titleistguy, Apr 4, 2016

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    With all due respect, gambling in general, especially in games that have -EV is stupid.

    Just saying. I've walked up to a table, and the very first shot I saw was a long heater, and had I gone across, would have killed it. Not to say that the person couldn't have just gone right out, but I don't see the difference in one way being more or less stupid than another.
     
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  19. Titleistguy, Apr 4, 2016

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    What do you do on a table that chops, where you might see a lot of one-and-done shooters, or a lot of folks getting a come out natural only to go PSO. To me this is equally as nebulous of a situation.

    Friday night, at Greektown, I threw a 5 number fire bet. Killed it. Then my next shot, PSO. It happens. YMMV, I just find that using a person's last shot as an indicator of their next can be a bit of a ... to pardon the pun .. crap shoot. :)

    If you're qualifying the shooter within the same shot, (that's what I understand you to mean), then I can see how making the 1st point is your sign as an indicator -- but a come out natural, in my mind, is basically a freebie you see many folks getting, just to quickly go right out. And I guess my fear on that is still that I've seen too many people roll say 15+ times, enough to make everyone some profit, and still not make their very first point.

    #shrug.

    I do share your limp in with come bet strategy on random rollers - although, I do take odds on all my come bets, just smaller. And if the shot continues I'll go bigger on the odds. To me having a come bet out on the table, with NO odds, is just giving up to much edge to the casino. Regardless of the shooter. Nothing worse than having a come bet sitting on a 4 or 10, get hit, and coming back to you with just even money. :(
     
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  20. Onautopilot, Apr 4, 2016

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    I can't argue against the odds taking, but you pay a price for that reduced HA....potential volatility, win bigger, lose bigger.

    You are expected to fair better in the long haul with odds, but in a given session, variance swamps the HA....and it runs both ways.

    In the immortal words of Nick the Greek....."If I had to do all over again, I would not lay the odds!". :)
     
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