About Donald Trump’s Lack of Decorum

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  1. crispcem, Jul 1, 2018

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    Evan Sayet is the author of The KinderGarden of Eden: How The Modern Liberal Thinks

    My Leftist friends (as well as many ardent #NeverTrumpers) constantly ask me if I’m not bothered by Donald Trump’s lack of decorum. They ask if I don’t think his tweets are "beneath the dignity of the office."

    Here’s my answer: We Right-thinking people have tried dignity. There could not have been a man of more quiet dignity than George W. Bush as he suffered the outrageous lies and politically motivated hatreds that undermined his presidency.

    We tried statesmanship.

    Could there be another human being on this earth who so desperately prized "collegiality" as John McCain?

    We tried propriety – has there been a nicer human being ever than Mitt Romney?

    And the results were always the same. This is because, while we were playing by the rules of dignity, collegiality and propriety, the Left has been, for the past 60 years, engaged in a knife fight where the only rules are those of Saul Alinsky and the Chicago mob.

    I don’t find anything "dignified," "collegial" or "proper" about Barack Obama’s lying about what went down on the streets of Ferguson in order to ramp up racial hatreds because racial hatreds serve the Democratic Party.

    I don’t see anything "dignified" in lying about the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi and imprisoning an innocent filmmaker to cover your tracks.

    I don’t see anything "statesman-like" in weaponizing the IRS to be used to destroy your political opponents and any dissent.

    Yes, Obama was "articulate" and "polished" but in no way was he in the least bit "dignified," "collegial" or "proper."

    The Left has been engaged in a war against America since the rise of the Children of the ‘60s. To them, it has been an all-out war where nothing is held sacred and nothing is seen as beyond the pale.. It has been a war they’ve fought with violence, the threat of violence, demagoguery and lies from day one – the violent take-over of the universities – till today.

    The problem is that, through these years, the Left has been the only side fighting this war. While the Left has been taking a knife to anyone who stands in their way, the Right has continued to act with dignity, collegiality and propriety.

    With Donald Trump, this all has come to an end. Donald Trump is America ’s first wartime president in the Culture War.

    During wartime, things like "dignity" and "collegiality" simply aren’t the most essential qualities one looks for in their warriors. Ulysses Grant was a drunk whose behavior in peacetime might well have seen him drummed out of the Army for conduct unbecoming.

    Had Abraham Lincoln applied the peacetime rules of propriety and booted Grant, the Democrats might well still be holding their slaves today.

    Lincoln rightly recognized that, "I cannot spare this man. He fights."

    General George Patton was a vulgar-talking.. In peacetime, this might have seen him stripped of rank. But, had Franklin Roosevelt applied the normal rules of decorum then, Hitler and the Socialists would barely be five decades into their thousand-year Reich.

    Trump is fighting. And what’s particularly delicious is that, like Patton standing over the battlefield as his tanks obliterated Rommel’s, he’s shouting, "You magnificent bastards, I read your book!"

    That is just the icing on the cake, but it’s wonderful to see that not only is Trump fighting, he’s defeating the Left using their own tactics. That book is Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals – a book so essential to the Liberals’ war against America that it is and was the playbook for the entire Obama administration and the subject of Hillary Clinton’s senior thesis.

    It is a book of such pure evil, that, just as the rest of us would dedicate our book to those we most love or those to whom we are most indebted, Alinsky dedicated his book to Lucifer.

    Trump’s tweets may seem rash and unconsidered but, in reality, he is doing exactly what Alinsky suggested his followers do. First, instead of going after "the fake media" — and they are so fake that they have literally gotten every single significant story of the past 60 years not just wrong, but diametrically opposed to the truth, from the Tet Offensive to Benghazi, to what really happened on the streets of Ferguson, Missouri — Trump isolated CNN.. He made it personal.

    Then, just as Alinsky suggests, he employs ridicule which Alinsky described as "the most powerful weapon of all."… Most importantly, Trump’s tweets have put CNN in an untenable and unwinnable position. … They need to respond.

    This leaves them with only two choices. They can either "go high" (as Hillary would disingenuously declare of herself and the fake news would disingenuously report as the truth) and begin to honestly and accurately report the news or they can double-down on their usual tactics and hope to defeat Trump with twice their usual hysteria and demagoguery. The problem for CNN (et al.) with the former is that, if they were to start honestly reporting the news, that would be the end of the Democratic Party they serve. It is nothing but the incessant use of fake news (read: propaganda) that keeps the Left alive.

    Imagine, for example, if CNN had honestly and accurately reported then-candidate Barack Obama’s close ties to foreign terrorists (Rashid Khalidi), domestic terrorists (William Ayers & Bernardine Dohrn), the mafia (Tony Rezko) or the true evils of his spiritual mentor, Jeremiah Wright’s church.

    Imagine if they had honestly and accurately conveyed the evils of the Obama administration’s weaponizing of the IRS to be used against their political opponents or his running of guns to the Mexican cartels or the truth about the murder of Ambassador Christopher Stevens and the Obama administration’s cover-up.

    So, to my friends on the Left — and the #NeverTrumpers as well — do I wish we lived in a time when our president could be "collegial" and "dignified" and "proper"? Of course I do.

    These aren’t those times. This is war. And it’s a war that the Left has been fighting without opposition for the past 50 years.

    So, say anything you want about this president - I get it - he can be vulgar, he can be crude, he can be undignified at times. I don’t care. I can’t spare this man. He fights for America!

    Evan Sayet is the author of The KinderGarden of Eden: How The Modern Liberal Thinks. His lecture to the Heritage Foundation on this same topic remains, some ten years later, by far the single most viewed lecture in their history. Evan can be reached at [email protected].
     
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  2. Dave G Ct, Jul 1, 2018

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    Great post as usual.Glad you included the media who are a far cry from the investigating ones of 50 years ago.If a Democrat president was guilty of failing his office they would help cover it up.
    George Bush never hit back with the media.Then again who had ever?
     
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    All the things you said about Trump are true... I cant stand the guy.

    But he is fighting a war......I hope he is fighting the right war....I am not sure...to
    this point he appears to be fighting a war to protect his ego.
    If you look at the history of war, there is a time in every large war you need help from
    your friends to secure the final victory......the way Trump is going, we may not have any friends
    left when he really needs them, and he will need them.

    If you look back on the last few presidents it looks like an exercise in futility rather than an
    attempt to lead a really great country.

    Clinton was all over the board, one day for this and the next for that, and when ever he got in trouble we
    ran back the minority voters for cover.

    Bush was fairly strong for the first term, but when he realized he messed up the war he retreated and allowed
    the democratic party to control all the spending for 4 years putting an end to the idea that republicans are
    fiscal conservatives....then the ultimate sin for me is he allowed Obama to destroy all the gains our service
    men and women made without saying a thing....lots of fight to go to war, no fight at all to protect the
    work of our service men and women...…..I detest Bush for wanting to appear presidential after out of office more
    than supporting the efforts of all those that can back with no arms or legs or eyes...

    Obama treated his election as war, one against America, and did an awful lot to destroy some of the ideals
    of America such as hard work, borders, self determination....
    I felt we got Bush because of Clintons problems. then we got Obama because of how bad Bush had been and then
    we got Trump because of how Anti American Obama had been.

    I do think of all of them,Trump has the ability to fight, but just because your willing to fight, does not mean
    your willing to fight the right fight.....
    I think Trump fights only for his ego and image , I only hope he keeps his image tied to what happens to the county.

    I live in a small city in Wisconsin, we are a very quiet city, not used to the main stream fray of politics. Last week
    end we had a large protest about the border families.....not something we see here...most will see through this
    nonsense.....however some wont..... and each vote you lose is much harder to get back than it was to
    get it in the first place.

    Trump has the greatest opportunity ever accorded an American president, fully 45 states support conservative
    ideals and all he has to do is appear to be half an ass hole instead of a whole...…

    tdb
     
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  4. basicstrategy777, Jul 1, 2018

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    I hate people that take the fruits but don't give the credit.

    They'd rather have a smooth talking i.e. presidential, dumbo-ears dealing death to America than an in-your-face, tell it like it is, I don't give a shit if I offend your wrinkly ass guy from New Yawk.

    These goody 2 shoes, lets play fair, elitists..........they all want to go to heaven, but they don't want to die.

    I hate um' .

    777
     
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  5. Settingcanthurt, Jul 1, 2018

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  6. crispcem, Jul 1, 2018

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    I strongly disagree. Any man who fights to get people back to work - and boy has he gotten people back to work - is someone who is not just thinking about his 'ego and image'. The unsnarling of regulations and red tape early on was just the beginning of stoking the motor of the USA. This is, after all, US INC. and it needs run like a business with accountability. He's done that and continues to do it. Companies are mushrooming up new plants with jobs all over the country, around here the amount of new hire positions is at a level I've never seen - EVER - from being a teenager on. I have no doubts about his ability to steer this country right fiscally and securely. Trump knows his base and he loves talking straight to us, and we love him for that. The only ones who should be worried about their image are the asshat Dems who've displayed what I can only call insanity.
     
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  7. crispcem, Jul 1, 2018

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    EXCELLENT video!!! I know several people in these precious victim categories who've seen the light and walked away. That's what rational thinking people do...
     
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    Nice post Sett
     
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    Thanks brother. Only take time to hit & run these days. Weather related. Crispm has livened up the place. Hope she sticks around. Our buddie BS has winged the young lib in the family. Going to try to share it with you.
     
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    July 1, 2018
    Is Trump the Most Fun President Ever?
    By Clarice Feldman
    If you’ve been fed up with the left’s hijacking of America, he certainly is fun -- because bit by bit he’s dismantling their power, supply train, and prestige. The shaky premises upon which they’ve controlled life in America for some time is being exposed and overturned. Let me explain.

    Here comes the Judge

    This week the Supreme Court by 5-4 majorities upset three linchpins of leftwing rule in America:

    On Tuesday the Supreme Court released its opinions in Trump v. Hawaii and National Institute of Family and Life Advocates v. Becerra.

    On Wednesday morning the Supreme Court released its final opinions from October Term 2017, in Janus v. AFSCME and Florida v. Georgia.

    On Wednesday afternoon Justice Anthony Kennedy announced his retirement from the Supreme Court.

    (more)
    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/07/is_trump_the_most_fun_president_ever.html
     
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    One of us is wrong here or has the wrong Idea. Trumps passion goes way beyond the age of many of the protestors. He has always loved this country.
     
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    Can you explain?
     
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    Well I can try.

    I dont think any president in history, yet alone modern history has entered the white
    house with lower expectations.....

    Just talk about the country, do your job and dont insult every friend you ever had and
    he would look like the best president in history.

    Setting your to smart to even ask me this, you cant sit there and tell me you never
    thought to yourself "why in the hell did he say that" and then how many times
    have you had to think that.

    Like I said , our senator is one of the best friends Trump ever had, and Trump has him
    scared to death about what he will say next, what Wisconsin business will he insult next.

    You cant tell me you dont understand this.


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    Fuck um'.....you better toe the mark or you get it in the neck............I'm the most powerful man on earth and I can make you...your state...your country fuckin' miserable, broke and over-run.....just remember that when you answer me.

    777
     
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    You're absolutely right, he can, and he's well on his way to doing, just this, "for" us. Are you the first moron in your family, or do you come from a long proud line of morons? If they ran an EEG I think you be declared " brain dead", man. You are a total suck-ass, not that there's anything wrong with that. I'm gonna call the Guinness Book, you may very well be the dumbest MF to ever walk. :)
     
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    I hate people that use way too many cliches. :) Fk'n hate um. :D
     
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    Utter nonsense! It was Obama's years when unemployment plummeted from 10% in Oct., 2009, to 4.7% in Dec., 2016, Obama's last full month in office, a 5.3% reduction in unemployment.

    Trump? 4.8% when he took office in Jan., 2017 to 3.8% as of May, 2018, a 1% reduction. Trump has no claim on lowering unemployment significantly, but you people swallow whatever he claims, hook, line, and sinker. This is true in so many other areas. FWIW, presidents have little control over unemployment, altho Obama's policies early in office and early in the Great Recession prevented a Great Depression II and set the stage for the steady reduction in unemployment.

    Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics at https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000
     
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  18. basicstrategy777, Jul 2, 2018

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    When I asked Ben what inspired this quote........he said...." Have you read what that duck guy on the craps board writes....UN-FUCKING-BEE-LIV-_ABLE.


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    “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.”

    Benjamin Franklin


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    Boy, Ben's really starting to show some age, seems like only yesterday he was doing, "Along came Polly". I never knew he was into philosophy too. :)
     
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    Obama had no policies to get people back to work....zero..... the big stimulus went only
    to union workers,, there were no public projects...there was no tax cut to spur business
    or hiring, there were no trade policy changes.


    the only thing that happened during the Obama years was shale oil production and in spite of
    having to fight the Obama administration every step of the way, the additional oil production
    created low gas prices and ever lower natural gas prices.....every worker got a weekly raise
    that had to drive to work, every business had lower delivery costs, every grocery store had lower
    food costs, every school had lower cost to bus students.... every single person in America was helped by this and it was opposed by only one person...….Obama.... hated oil and still does.

    2/28/2President Obama is not a friend of cheap, affordable gasoline. His words and his deeds prove it. He says he will veto the Keystone XL pipeline project, and who can forget his pick for Energy Secretary, Steven Chu, openly musing that “Somehow we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe”? At the time, that meant $7-9 per gallon.2President Obama is not a friend of cheap, affordable gasoline. His words and his deeds prove it. He says he will veto the Keystone XL pipeline project, and who can forget his pick for Energy Secretary, Steven Chu, openly musing that “Somehow we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe”? At the time, that meant $7-9 per gallon.

    Obama....2/28/06....just not possible to drill your way out of higher oil prices
    Obama 5/11/2006 If I thought drilling could save people money I would be for it,
    Obama 8/2/08 it would reduce costs in this administration , the next or any administration
    Obama 5/11/2006 we should replace oil altogether
    Obama 5/27/2010 we cant drill our way out of this.
    Obama 3/8/2012 Obama said he would like to see a gradual increase in gas prices to $4,00 per gallon
    Obama 4/2/2012 asked about gas prices going lower, he indicated now they will just go fill up their trucks

    Lower gas prices saved the country from future recessions and Obama hated every minute of it.

    tdb
     
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