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  1. Probowlz, Mar 16, 2015

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    While playing this weekend on the Don't side I noticed that I played very controlled in regards to bets, while pass line players where slingingmoney everywhere all over the table. is it me or do you notice the same thing that don't players play very much more control than pass line players?
     
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  2. Harley, Mar 16, 2015

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    agree .... but then again betting options for the Don't side are somewhat limited compared to the do side ... not many Prop bets for the dark side unless you're hedging your bets widely

    although on some tables I would love to lay the hard six
     
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  3. INVISIBLE HAND, Mar 16, 2015

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    Most people who play craps dont know what they are doing so they just bet bet bet.If your a novice and ask the stickman hey how do I play hes not going to say well put ur money right here on the dont pass.I dont play the darkside because i dont like negative odds.But if you and I were to be on the same tbl me pl u dpl to skilled players u would see same discipline
     
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  4. mycoalsmith, Mar 16, 2015

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    I know of one older gentleman who plays Don't Pass and Don't Come. He will sit at a table - he pulls up a chair and sits for hours at a time. On the Come out he plays Don't Pass. He leaves it there it is a 4, 6, 8, 9, or 10. If it's a 5, he removes it.

    For the next roll, he plays Don't Come - and again the same thing. Roll a 4, 6, 8, 9, or 10 and he lets it move. If the roll is a 5, he calls it back. (Not sure why he doesn't like the 5.)

    He usually plays full odds. He seems to do well most times, but I know the last time I saw him, he was down $700.00 for the day, and pulled out another $300.00 which was almost gone when I left.
     
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  5. Morgue, Mar 16, 2015

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    Mostly, yes. If a player is willing to sacrifice the comradery of the right side play to have a slightly lower house edge then he's bound to hold on to his chips a little tighter than everyone else.

    That being said, I saw a player betting greens all with x2 odds(max allowed) continuously on DP and DC on every roll last time I was there. He chose the wrong shooter to bet against and was swiftly wiped out. Ouch!
     
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  6. TDVegas, Mar 17, 2015

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    Yep. I've seen both sides get wiped out betting against or with the wrong guy. It's not fun to watch. Speaking of not fun---watched a guy yesterday for some spins of the roulette wheel. Pulls out $100, spreads it over on 5 numbers. Proceeds pull out another $100 for the next 8 rolls without hitting a number. $800 gone in about 6 minutes. Painful to watch. Only thought going thru my head was degenerate gambler. After losing $500, he looked like he wanted leave and for a split second I thought he would---not to be.
     
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  7. INVISIBLE HAND, Mar 18, 2015

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    Again you assume 800 was a lot to him just because you are poor don't mean others are as well so you assume because 800 would be a lot to you it must be a lot to him I'm guessing you have a blue collar job
     
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  8. The Midnight Skulker, Mar 18, 2015

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    This brings to mind an incident I witnessed many moons ago at a table at Lake Tahoe (I forget which house) that was ice cold. I was on the wrong side and so was doing rather well, but the man next to the dealer on my side of the table was taking copious gas. After a long dry spell he lost his cool. Out came the wallet. Out came a couple C's. "Paper plays the line." The shooter established a point. More paper appeared. "500 across." The boxman made a cursory check of the five bills (presumably to make sure they were all C-notes) and nodded to the stickman, who sent the dice. The paper and chips were still in the boxman's and dealer's respective hands when the 7 rolled.

    Totally frustrated now the man reached into his wallet for more ammo...but it was empty. The look on his face was a mixture of shock, complete disbelief, and panic. Almost in unison everyone else at the table, crew and players alike, shook his/her head as the guy turned and walked away. I almost felt guilty picking up my Don't Pass winnings.
     
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  9. basicstrategy777, Mar 18, 2015

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    One of the 25 comnmandments in my book is # 23......." " Don't force it ; YOU CAN"T MAKE IT HAPPEN."

    I believe this should be imbedded in every gamblers brain. It should be one of your rules, IMHO.

    777
     
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  10. Dogalot, Mar 18, 2015

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    Please STOP! I am one - don't be 1 as well!,!,
     
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  11. Dogalot, Mar 18, 2015

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    Or is this (Invisable hand) another Username for another PLAYER that has an altered-motive ...

    IMHO -- everyone please stop this f^(<1^g Cyber bulling shi¥!!! and get to the reason we are here -- the love / hate of Craps!!!
     
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  12. Dave G Ct, Mar 18, 2015

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    Well I have to tell a story. Last year I noticed this young oriental couple - they were siblings I assumed. Bought in with 100 g' s. Method of play $5000 DP and they would come with 2 DC' s each $5000. They would lay heavy odds even if it were a 6 or 8. Lost almost all their money in less than a half hr.
    Next week they are back with reinforcements. Two other Asians joined and now you have 3 buy ins for $100,000. They spread out to 3 different tables. Result one lost in 10 minutes, the next lost in 20 min. And the third was hanging on and I left so do not know what finally happened. Yes 100,000 seems like a lot of money but when you bet crazy such as laying $30,000 against the 8 on a table that was not trending cold one is not that surprised. Thought to myself - bunch of spoiled kids playing with their family' s wealth.
     
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  13. The Comeback Kid, Mar 18, 2015

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    We've all been there...

    When you try your best - but you don't succeed.
    When you come for the thrill - but it's not to be had.
    When you're reaching for more - but getting less.

    What to do with this empty feeling?

    Answer - NOTHING, do nothing.
    Why? It's exceed the point of no return.

    You came for this, and got that! And now momentum is too strong.
    Hoping for a bottom is futile. THERE IS NO BOTTOM.

    The best thing; nip it in the bud right away.
    If you enjoyed those nothing-can-go-wrong days...here's the other side of that.
    And there's balance in the universe.

    Don't expect to hit it out of the park first crack.
    Manage expectations prior.
    Some back and forth is sure to occur.
    Don't get bent out of shape.
    Maintain your equilibrium.

    Remember those times when you lost it all, then won it back.
    And what a thrilling ride that was.

    Sometimes the ledger leapfrogs over separate visits.
    Other times a full cycle can happen in 1. It's all fine.
    Managing emotions offers a smoother ride.

    Stay forward focused, that what you want is in the process of becoming.
    Get off the outcome, and onto the process.
    Enjoy how interesting the game is.

    Because it's not the having that you really want, it's the getting.

     
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  14. TDVegas, Mar 18, 2015

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    I've seen it before. Once frustration sets in, they lose track of everything, including what's left in their wallet. The look of disbelief---not pretty.
     
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  15. INVISIBLE HAND, Mar 19, 2015

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    Are you another grammar Nazi? I think you get the wrong impression of me I call out those who mislead people especially newbs when they are being told to place bets that will make them go broke I want to help people win money like I've been fortunate to do I live in Nevada for over 20 years I don't consider myself a gambler but an advantage player I like to exploit weaknesses in casinos and tell others how to do it I posted how to win at baseball and never lose but its met with haters again telling people its bullshit so I call them out so you might see it as being a dick I see it as exposing hacks that will break you
     
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  16. The Midnight Skulker, Mar 19, 2015

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    @The Comeback Kid

    I try to let my "likes" speak for themselves, but am making an exception with your latest contribution above. I completely agree with the message and would add, "Learn from your mistakes, but accept that sometimes there was no mistake."
     
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  17. goatcabin, Mar 19, 2015

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    This must be some kind of superstition, since the 5, like the 9, is a 3:2 favorite to win at that point.
     
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  18. KokomoJoe4, Sep 17, 2019

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    au contraire CBK, we have not all been there, I say with reference to a certain Mr. Hall.
     
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    Pray tell , where is this , there , to where Mr. Hall not been???
     
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  20. James Hall, Sep 18, 2019

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    Just watching this happen can leave a person
    with a feeling frustration , even tho you are not he one
    to whom this is happening.
     
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