All Tall - All Small - Side Effects

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  1. driglaz, Sep 1, 2016

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    Was playing Monday at the Golden Nugget in AC.

    1 guy had bets on the all tall small but it seemed like everyone was watching it.

    all the numbers were rolled except the 11 and the 2

    all of a sudden, several people at the table start to bet the 11 & the 2.

    few rolls later the 11 hit making some people happy.

    then i threw a dollar down for the aces.

    another 2 or 3 rolls later i stop but others are still betting on the aces.

    Now the same shooter is on the come-out and rolls a 7. no problem? Well, the point was hit and people were upset and moaning (another bi-product, people are mad when you roll a 7 on the come-out because the bet resets) i have even been asked "why are they complaining" we just won...

    Point is - the side effect of this bet is people make more of those high-house-edge bets while they hope the last number appears. While not true the logic people use is that this number is due because it has not been rolled. While the 7 reset was calculated into the odds before the bet was introduced the change in attitude & reactions are interesting.

    So now I think this bet will stay because the profits from the new bet are one thing but the extra profits from people chasing the bet are an un-expected side effect.

    What do you think?
     
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  2. wonko33, Sep 1, 2016

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    I think it's BS that it resets on come out 7s- I would be willing to just take the whole come out part out of it. The 7s don't count and the numbers rolled don't count either. I hate that people get upset of for a come out 7, really messes with the mood of the table.
     
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    Are you a regular at the Nugget? I play there about once a month. Love the crew.
     
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  4. eurcalcat, Sep 1, 2016

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    I can't tell you the number of times I've been burned on that "come out" 7
    with 1 or 2 numbers to go....Lately I've been tripling my pass line bet...just to
    kinda ease "THE PAIN " !
     
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  5. luxlogs, Sep 1, 2016

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    Slows the game down to a crawl and Wonko33 is Right. A come out 7 should be a good thing. Dam Circus Bets.
     
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  6. tercol58, Sep 2, 2016

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    If your playing this wouldn't the best thing you can hope for be the last number needed is a box number hopefully 4 or 10 so you can bet against that and win either way
     
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    Yup. You got it.
     
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  8. James Hall, Sep 16, 2016

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    If you have made the first 5 points you already have a pretty good payday then
    because the return is so high if you make the 6th and the 4 or 10 would be so unlikely this is one hedge bet that makes sense
    Yep good idea , you win either way
    GREAT POST
     
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  9. driglaz, Sep 17, 2016

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    The other day the payout on the all tall caused a delay longer than any other delay in the previous 5 minutes of shooting, ruined the rhythm, changed the flow, and forced a seven.
     
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  10. eagleeye2, Oct 16, 2016

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    driglaz,

    Curious as to how that delay happened?

    Every Casino in which I have ever played the Small~Tall~All Bet, only pays when a decision is made, i.e. a (7) is thrown first.

    That (7) could be a hand end-er, or come first throw after a point is made, in which case the Casino then PAYS off any Small~Tall~All bets that have been completed. This re-sets the Small~Tall~All, requiring NEW betting on them. The same shooter in effect is starting over with the S~T~A Bets, but all others stay & Pass Line Bets are paid for that come-out (7).

    That would take a bit of time, but the shooter must have thrown a SECOND (7) shortly thereafte & for some sttrange reason those (7's) tend to come in pairs.

    eagleeye2
     
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  11. driglaz, Oct 16, 2016

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    I think it was that the dealer forgot to put the marker over the final point, then the players questioned the dealers and the delay began.
     
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  12. eagleeye2, Oct 16, 2016

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    driglaz,

    That would cause a Big Time Delay.

    All should watch their own bets including making sure that Both Sides of the Table, mark all #'s Rolled for the S-T-A bet.

    eagleeye2
     
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    Where did this happen? Casino?
     
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  14. driglaz, Oct 16, 2016

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    Golden Nugget
     
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    Very surprised. They're usually pretty good at this.
    But apparently the players were on this. Especially those on the All Tall.
    I notice on this bet that the dealers and box sometimes forget to post the numbers.
    There seems to be confusion about who is responsible to posts the rolls.
     
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  16. tercol58, Oct 16, 2016

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    I know when only 1/2 of the bet is completed when the 7 out comes it is paid out but if the bet is complete small and tall the game is stopped and the bet is paid and reset thats what I see at my local casino not sure if thats what you are saying
     
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  17. $nakeEye$, Oct 16, 2016

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    Exactly HOW does THAT work , say if you hit the Small, that gets paid and then reset -

    Now IF the Tall gets hit, the bettors won the Small, the Tall and All -

    However, if the Small is reset, as you state, would there NOT be mass confusion regards the All wagers ?

    I definitely would think so !

    I have NOT seen the Small OR the Tall being reset after it was hit -

    The markers covering the hit numbers remain on the layout - the bets are paid - and the other half of the bet remains active !

    At least that's how it's done in Vegas -

    Also, some houses allow the bets to be re-bet after to a C/O 7 - others do NOT !

    $...eE..$
     
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  18. driglaz, Oct 17, 2016

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    Yes players must pay attention, and for dealers, I imagine it can be confusing. Some tables there have the new layout with the ATS and others don't.
    there was really no confusion, in this case there was one marker not on the number, this was the issue, once the pit boss got involved, and the other dealers and players confirmed that number was rolled, the payout began. in NJ once the small or tall is hit, it does not reset, it only resets when a 7 occurs
     
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  19. tercol58, Oct 17, 2016

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    My bad I must have typed this out wrong let try again I think Im saying the same thing as eagleeye2. If the small OR tall is completed and a 7 occurs on the come out or a 7 out then which everyone is hit is paid off if it is on a come out roll you can place the bet again on the same shooter if it is a 7 out you can bet it on the next shooter. If the shooter makes them all small and tall wherever he makes it on the come out or in the middle of the roll for the point the game is stopped and everyone who had made the prop bet is paid can reset the small tall and all. This is how I thought it was played but I still may not have typed it out very well
     
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  20. driglaz, Oct 20, 2016

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    that ATS can be a pain in the ass because you get everyone rooting for a 2,3,11, and or a 12 when your hitting numbers and getting paid on points. I mean your pressing up your bets to nice levels and people are bitching and moaning because a 12 or a 2 did not roll.

    Next time I am rolling I may just try to force a 7 on come out to reset those ATS bets every time there is a point rolled.....
     
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