Any Seven strategy...

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  1. Danekeeper, Mar 16, 2013

    Danekeeper

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    I all I am new to this great games of Craps and as of yet not played a real game. I am working on what I am calling chasing the seven (probably another name) but is what I am calling it. My strategy is based on a $500 buy in and have three start off bets that go up with every roll I wager on. Here is my question...Is the table minimum required to place a bet on the Any Seven and is there a maximum bet limit as well?

    For my strategy for the $5 start bet which I will probably start off with, goes like this...I will be using a three/three count on the rollers. I bet the first three wager amounts in progression and hold off for the next three rolls and continue the wager for the next three...Even if the roller goes into a nice long spell without seven out no matter when 7 does come out my profit will always be an average of $20. I want a table that is not hot and has very short lived rolls and if there is a DI in the game I will bet differently for that roller or not at all. I read a post somewhere on these forums of somebody doing something very similar but with Any Craps and new that they were loosing money after a certain pint in the way they were betting but after knowing what I wanted to be my profit with every winning seven that comes out it progressed into the table that is shown below. My other two start out bets are of $1 and $10...they could be anything I would just have to redo the spreadsheet. Thanks for the input and all of the great information provided at this forum.

    Roll # Amount Win Bet/Loss Profit

    1- 5 20 5 20
    2- 6 24 11 19
    3- 8 32 19 21
    4- 10 40 29 21
    5- 12 48 41 19

    6- 16 64 57 23
    7- 19 76 76 19
    8- 24 96 100 20
    9- 30 120 130 20
    10- 38 152 168 22

    11- 47 188 215 20
    12- 59 236 274 21
    13- 74 296 348 22
    14- 92 368 440 20
    15- 115 460 555 20
     
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  2. dustedone, Mar 16, 2013

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    I use to play a three way hopping SEVEN progression. It pays off much better than a any SEVEN. It does require a large bankroll that I hated to carry about Vegas.

    I think that you may want to do is; instead of starting at $5, start at the high end of the odds. most tables are 7 to 1 but I have found some table that pay 8 to 1. So, I would start at $7 instead of of $5 than work your matrix from there. I will tell you that casinos will frown about you trying to buy the table. Once you hit your progression they may ask you to leave.

    Another thing, if you at the table alone, what do you do? Even paying the doey/dont and paying a progressive SEVEN you gotta factor in the TWELVE for the loss. your not the first to take this angle my friend.

    And what happens if the table was a good run and you burn your bank roll? And what if you hit the ceiling on the table and not hit the SEVEN? What then?

    good luck
     
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  3. Danekeeper, Mar 16, 2013

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    Thanks for the input, I am very new to this game and learning quite a bit every day. I do have other methods I am looking into playing along side the any seven. I'm sorry for my ignorance of the game and learning everything I can about it, could you explain the hopping the SEVEN a bit in order for me to get the idea? I figured as much that this would not go over well with the casinos and if I am at the table by myself I would play differently, a good run on a table would not be the table I would want to play this SEVEN progressions on and I do have the stopping point I am working on to regroup and start some other strategy.

    Thanks again for your advice, it will be valuable when I get the chance or brave enough to play.
     
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  4. goatcabin, Mar 18, 2013

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    The first thing you should understand is that the Any 7 bet carries a 16.67% house edge, highest on the table, and pays only 4 to 1, so you don't even get high volatility for your money, as you do with bets on 12, 2 and the "hop bets". You could bet a "three-way hopping seven", which means you could bet $2 each on 1-6, 2-5 and 3-4; these bets pay 15 to 1, so you would win $26 (30-4) if any of them hit, and lose $6 if anything besides a seven came up; this represents a house edge of 11.1% . Let's compare a $5 Any 7 to $2 each on hopping sevens:

    $5 Any 7: win $20 1/6; lose $5 5/6: expectation is to lose $5 every 6 bets

    $2 each on 1-6, 2-5, 3-4: win $26 1/6, lose $6 5/6: expectation is to lose $4 every 6 bets

    So, over 60 bets that saves you $10 in expected loss. With a progression the difference increases, of course.
    Cheers,
    Alan Shank
     
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    I watched a guy drop $40K playing a hop-sevens strategy during a hot hand one night. Toward the end he was hopping at table max. Then the chips were all gone - and so was he.
     
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  6. dustedone, Mar 18, 2013

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    Thanks Al, I did have that wrong on the odds. Brain fart, fat fingers, I can t explain it. I may have thought "Big Red" odds but came up w/ "any craps" odds.

    An any case, I recommend that you still start w/ the dollar amount of $4. And have seen 5 to 1 odds on any SEVEN.

    Thanks again, Al, for spotting my mistake.
     
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