Back at it with Linaway

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  1. KokomoJoe4, Sep 25, 2019

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    Spoke with the Wizard today and found he is still studying the dice.

    He tells me he has come up with an expansion of his idea of polar opposites, which are themselves an expansion of his axial arrays that show without doubt that on-axis shooting ain't happening.

    It is his contention that by identifying "shooting quirks" unique to an individual, there is a way to use dice properties, with an understanding of polar opposites, to make minor adjustments on the fly, with the idea of maximizing "safe" dice outcomes.

    Because safe dice outcomes harbor only two sevens compared with unsafe dice outcomes which have four, it stands to reason that IF you can end safe more often than what is expected randomly, you stand a better chance to win.

    Of course you can end "safely" on a seven. This is understood, but it is also easy to see that you are better off with two possible sevens as opposed to four.

    This is the basics of his stuff and is nothing new.

    However, with an understanding of polar opposites, there appears to be a way for the shooter end safely more frequently. When I told him that everything we do with the dice doesn't make things change from being random, he agreed, but stated that because results have shown us that dice go off axis, and what works best for the individual, we are already starting from an expectation of "better than random", and by knowing the relationship that exists between various dice arrangements (polar opposites), you can increase your proportion of safe results at least slightly.

    I argued with the Wizard here, saying that we have no control over how the dice tumble. He agreed with this, but told me that results show by making minor modification, if necessary, it can and does increase result safety.

    Just like any dice argument, you can check on this by recording results. I would argue that regardless of how good the results are, they are only a sample and are subject to change, likely to move closer to expectation.

    Since expectation is two safe for every one unsafe, I'm going to try this out and see how it goes.

    Other than playing yahtzee, the only other time I tossed the cubes at home was when I first got into the Wizard's stuff in order to learn how to identify outcomes, but here comes some more "practice".
     
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  2. basicstrategy777, Sep 26, 2019

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    "The Wizard of Kansas"....ya gotta love him.........he can talk/write your ear off but his writings on the galloping domino's are unique as are his numerous inventions of craps devises, each having a different function and designed to help you with your toss.........the guy is truly amazing and occupy's a special niche in the craps community.

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  3. The Comeback Kid, Sep 26, 2019

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    Thanks for the post. I appreciate a well articulated opinion. Now let me share mine. All are invited to the big tent?

    What's happening in the moment has already past - old news. It's the result of all that, which came before it. The future is happening now. Studying the past activates it & locks us there; preventing the improvement we seek in our future outcomes. It is this man's opinion, that it's better to let it go. Why? Bkz your thoughts start to think you & very soon you'll chasing yourself down the rabbit hole, looking for quirks that are easily soothed out by the pool with a martini in your hand, enjoying the bikini clad scenaro.

    Let's face it; you cannot change a bad table with action, any more than you can stop a roaring train by stepping out in front of it. Momentum will have its way with you. We may find that any shooting quirk-change-efforts, may in fact, produce more interesting, but different shooting quirks. Too many damn moving parts - Oh my. And In the end, it's the hard way to go about it, from my perspective. The easy way is to chill - those quirks away. Once de-quirked, resume...we may.
    He may be the Wizard from Kansas, but did you inform him that from now on you'd like to be referred to as the "Big Canary from Cranberry" while yours truly is the "Big Ditty from New York City"?

    Is it safe?
     
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  4. KokomoJoe4, Sep 26, 2019

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    I buy this and I also have no belief in an ability to control (or even influence) dice outcomes.

    I am simply looking at them from a different perspective, and intend to see if an increase in these safe outcomes has a positive effect on results.

    If so on a somewhat consistent basis, then I'm going to monitor to see if they are happening and yes, even decide to place a bet or remove a bet based on what is now history.

    I do not think there is anything one can do to change the randomness of the dice, but it doesn't hurt to see what they tell you.
     
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  5. The Comeback Kid, Sep 26, 2019

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    Your approach sounds logical, just keep it in safe mode. More power to ya.

    I close my eyes. The dealer will tell me just fine
    I can't afford introducing tension into my shooting trance, by observing the result. Usually I've got a song in my head, one that hasn't gone stale yet & I stay focused there. My approach is 90% preparation/10% action. If I've accomplished sufficient prep, offline & I'm in the zone, what I walk into is already decided & I'm gonna like it. It requires trust at first, but now with so much evidence, it's routine. This works for me.
     
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  6. tabletop123, Sep 26, 2019

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    I like Linaway's material. Always have. Always will. However, unfortunately...... results from previous rolls have no predictive value on the upcoming rolls.

    It's pretty much a BELIEF system in using previous to ascertain upcoming. Linaway's material is FACT, & NOT THE crystal ball. I would absolutely LOVE to use those 3:1, 4:1, 5:1, etc " Safe" axials arrays as equating to " having an advantage" as a High count in BlackJack favors the Card Counter, but ......THAT would be wishful thinking.

    I will/do increase my wagers AS LONG as those " safe" axial arrays continue to pile up, but as we all know....it only takes a Seven to kill the whole deal. That's why it's called Gambling.

    I can say " with conviction" that the majority of my hands that start off at a 3:1 " safe" axial array DO tend to last longer than probability dictates, & this is why I increase my bets.

    I have also noticed that Most of MY seven-outs ( my own shooting) result in a Heavy Sevens " unsafe" axial array.

    The bottom line is that we all search for SOMETHING to make us " Feel" that we are playing the game the RIGHT way that could POSSIBLY lead to more consistent wins.

    Thus far ( at least as far as I KNOW) NO ONE has found that " Holy Grail". The skilled Dice Influencers will brag,,& boast of their prowess at the tables. Tell ya that they win a LOT more than they lose, but.......DO THEY REALLY? Only themselves, & the Casinos know the WHOLE story.

    Hope springs eternal in finding THAT " SOMETHING" ( whether it's Linaway's material, Dice Influencing, ESP, or that Lucky Rabbit's foot) that allows us to remain on the positive side of the ledger playing Craps.

    Continued Success at the tables!
     
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  7. Bases loaded, Sep 26, 2019

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    DI's are nuts because they play the game and 'expect to win'.

    Randies are nuts because they play the game and don't expect to win.
     
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  8. eagleeye2, Sep 26, 2019

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    So Bases Loaded, that implies that you don't Play Casino Craps???

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  9. Bases loaded, Sep 26, 2019

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    I could not Learn To Win so I Quit.
     
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  10. DeMango, Sep 26, 2019

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    Interesting post by Ahigh recently on WoV. He proved influence over 6,000 rolls and won consistently at South Point for a year. So all previous posts on this thread, that say, no can do, are pure wishful thinking.
     
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  11. von duck, Sep 27, 2019

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    "Proved" or "Claimed"? :confused: :cool:
     
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  12. KokomoJoe4, Sep 27, 2019

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    This is not among the 6 or 8 movies I have seen in my lifetime, so don't know anything about it, but I do recall that LID put this same pic into the discussion when I first started talking about dice safety 4 or 5 years ago.

    Went to a CE lecture on radiation safety yesterday after work at a country club near the office.

    The guy speaking was hilarious - thought I was at a comedy show. He was picking on damn near everyone during the course of his presentation. Unlike most there wearing scrubs, I cleaned up and changed before heading over there.

    Out of the blue during his presentation, I have a cabernet and am eating, and he says pointing at me: look at this guy, he's going home and will tell his wife yes hunny I worked hard all day - look how's he's dressed and what he's drinking. A couple more of those and the attractive woman sitting next to him will have to drive him home.
     
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  13. TDVegas, Sep 27, 2019

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    I think it was the Silverton. I saw his post. Interesting that he took the time. Hightower at least seemed to be very forthright or realistic about the DI approach.

    Wouldn't it simply come down to set.....result.....better than random expectation? I would guess consistency of results would be the name of the game. Are these consistent "skews" of expectation that he saw or certain "select" numbers over....say 36 roll sets, where the usefulness is front and center for that session?

    If someone is telling me that they are changing their sets mid stream session....because he's not getting the results he thought he would get with the original set, then I would probably cast that person off the DI ranks. That's fishing....not DI. It seemed Hightower went with one set (one for comeout, one for number)....good or not. I'm not sure if even he knew he was "in the moment" when tossing.

    As a comparison, card counting or advantage blackjack play is "in the moment".....once you've established the count is in your favor and over the next....say ~20 cards, the game is in your favor...mathematically established.

    If Aaron has established this over 6,000 rolls...great, but he's on the table for a few hands or say 60-70 rolls. If he's making "not random" work within that frame consistently, kudos....but he was also questioning the long term usefulness.

    Did he say playing everyday for more than a year with $100 bankroll....and $1,000 ahead for the year??

    With his time invested, that's probably $2.00/hour. Add in practice, table costs and computer time....jeez. Probably net negative.

    Nevertheless, I give Hightower credit. He wasn't pie in the sky. I also think the way he did it would be a standard mo....play everyday, match practice table to live table and grind the percentage. Even then, the result he got was so minimal. Throw in a $1,500 seminar/class....even worse.
     
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  14. TDVegas, Sep 27, 2019

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    Probably easier to identify if he’s cheating on his wife.

    At a table, short period of time....I’m going to question how this is credibly done.

    Shooting in a different manner is not a quirk in my book. There could be an argument that every single player has a quirk or his own style which “quirks” differently from everyone else.

    My “quirk” is to attempt to break the pyramids.:);)
     
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  15. HornHiYo, Sep 27, 2019

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    Player in a Sweat Shop winning consistently for a year.

    Very Interesting.
     
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  16. DeMango, Sep 28, 2019

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    Physics and math. The backbone of craps. So with proper intelligence, physical dexterity, influence is possible. If you can’t think outside of the (box) craps table, it’s all random to you, but the laws of physics will never go away.
     
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    I'm not on that forum so I didn't read any of his posts.

    FWIW: The bubble machine at Prairie Meadows has a SRR of 6.31 over a 15,000 + roll sample so far in 2019. Variables are I don't record rolls if I don't have a bet and the machine has been serviced 3 times including 1 dice change around May 30.

    For the tin foil hat wearers I've been betting on the do side on this machine most of the year with $40 min. action.
     
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  18. KokomoJoe4, Sep 28, 2019

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    Most players know the math of the game, based on the Table of 36.

    Not as many would be familiar with the physics, but the law of rigid body dynamics that applies to anything that moves, including dice :eek:, only "supports" the concept of DI to this extent, and it isn't much of an extent.

    (1) tossed dice display translational, rotational and gravitational energies, (2) friction operates to alter movement when dice contact table surface, the back wall, chips and hands, and (3) energy changes form as the moving object(s) come to rest.

    Nothing here proves or disproves DI. It proves only that moving objects eventually come to rest.
     
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    No, they won't.:cool:
     
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