Hello all, All i want to know is if i were playing a game of craps and put 10 chips on come and 10 chips on dont come would this be a definite break even bet? (would i get 20 chips back). please reply yes/no
If you think that above is an even bet... I suggest you find some tutorials on craps instead of posting silly things like this here.
Placing bets on the pass and dont pass lines simutaneously will not net you anything until the point is established. IE. 2,3 you win your dont pass bet but lose your pass line bet.--- even. 7,11 you win your pass line bet but lose your dont pass bet.--- even. Roll 12 and you lose your pass line bet and push your dont pass bet--- a loss of 10 dollars. When the point is established you can not take down your pass line bet, but you can remove your dont pass bet. Removing a dont pass bet is like giving up your odds to the casino. It is always likely that a 7 will roll before any other single point so never remove a dont pass bet. In summary I suggest you either go with the table and stay on the pass line, or go against the table and play what is known as the dark side. Never play pass and dont pass together. If you do your spinning your wheels. Hope this helps
Hey All - I'm new to craps, a beginner, and was hoping someone could give me some pointers of how or what I should do for the best odds? I would greatly appreciate any help!
super, best place to bet would be your pass line bet with odds: heres what you do– before the shooter rolls their first roll, put five bucks on the pass line you cant miss it its the closest thing to you and it saya"PASS" on it. After the shooter establishes their point, (youll know this cause there will be a big round plastic button thing on the point they established), put another five dollars directly behind your original pass giving you ten dollars total on the board. Depending on what the shooter's point is you get paid the best using this strategy as a beginner. There are more advanced techniques but if you are as new as you say you are stick with this. If all else fails ask a dealer they will tell you where to put your money, if its busy they might not explain why but they will tell you where the smartest bets are.
super, I dont necessarily recommend this way of playing. For one the explanation filthysanches gave you is very vague. In filthy's defense it is very difficult to explain the game through a forum. if you use filthy's method, remember that by betting the pass line, you are choosing to bet on a number that you may not necessarily want to bet on. Like the 4 and 10. Numbers that have less of a chance of being thrown. Your pass line bet is committed to whatever point number is marked. It also gets payed out at even money. You cannot take your pass line bet down or call it off at all. Your odds behind the pass line can be removed, but the pass line is working until it is won or lost. The biggest reason i'm against this method of play is because there are other bets that can make you more money. For example, place bets will make you more money than pass line with odds. For example, if you make a 10 dollar place bet on the 4 and it is thrown. It pays you 18 dollars. If you make a five dollar pass line wager and 5 dollars in odds, it pays you 15 dollars if the point is a 4. hmmm...18 or 15, im going to take 18 dollars please. Also, if you make a 5 dollar pass line wager, and the point is a 5 or 9. The hosue is not going to let you put 5 dollars behind it as odds. The 5 and 9 have true odds payouts of 3 to 2. So this means you have to make an even dollar bet. Such as 6 dollars behind your 5 dollar pass line bet. I would recommend looking into place bets before pass line with odds. Also, i would recommend reading a craps basics book before you even buy in at the table. Also, read "the craps lesson" by gene robinson, i would say this is a very good book to read once you have a good understanding of the game. good luck.
Lucky, This is true my suggestion is simple and not the best bet on the table, but the reason i suggested to do this is to get her feet wet, to learn how to play the game. I think even you will agree with me when I say that the game of craps stands on the framework and goal (more importantly), to roll the point established. I can't tell you how many times ive seen noobs come up to the table and only place bets or the field, win nothing, not even understanding the basics of the game the soundation if you will, because someone only told them about place bets. Thats also why i suggested to ask dealers theyre the ones that will teach you the most. with the pass you atleast get to bet odds, i do both place pass and come myself but as an easy non-scary introduction to the game pass is a start, and thats what i was trying to get across.
filthy, I agree with you, that everyone should understand the basic foundation of the game before they put their money at risk. This is why i recommended reading a basics book before buying in at the table. However, you responded to super and said, "super, best place to bet would be your pass line with odds:" I just didn't want her to actually believe that. Reason being is that it is an overrated bet and is definately not the best place to bet. Why make a bet that is going to pay you less for your investment when their is a different way of risking the same amount that will pay you more money. Noob or not, be thoroughly educated when you approach the table. People may look at super and think the same way you did, when you saw someone making field bets and not winning any money. They are going to say, she could place that and make more with the option of removing her bet at any time. super, best place to bet would be your pass line bet with odds: Lucky, This is true my suggestion is simple and not the best bet on the table I understand the point you say that you were trying to get across. But its confusing. It is the best bet, but now its not the best. Super, Here is what i suggest, and obviously its just my opinion, and many people may debate it. This strategy can be altered depending on what your bankroll is and how aggressive you want to be. So i will give you the breakdown of what i do, which is a moderately aggressive method of play. First i would wait until a point is established, once a point is established i would bet inside. whether it be 6 and 8 or 5689, your bankroll will determine that, along with how aggressive you want to be. On a 10 dollar table i usually go 44 inside. I would take the first three payouts as same bet. After the first three, i would press each winning number approximately 50%. Once the table warms up, and i am profiting fairly well from the roll, i will place the 4 and 10. For me there is no rule of thumb as to when to place the 4 and 10. if they are throwing i got on them, if not, then i simply stay inside and collect my money. Now, if you are the shooter, i would make minimum pass line bet. This is the only time i play the pass. I also make a two dollar any craps bet to hedge my pass line wager. This ensures that you do not lose your pass line bet on the come out roll. The only way to lose then is if you establish a point right away, then your two dollar hedge is taken down. Its a cheap safety if you ask me. No matter what the point is, i still go inside, usually covering 5689. I also take single odds to start. I still take the first three or four payouts in order to get my money back. If i roll my point i press the next point to double odds and then triple odds and so on. This is the basics of what i recommend. remember to press your place bets once you have taken the first three payouts. Once you having your initial investment back, then you can press your bets. Good luck
Actually Filthy and Lucky you are both right...the pass line is one of the best bets in the casino it has less than 1% house advantage, and the place bets of 6 and 8 are at about 1.5% house advantage, so either way would be a good way to go. But if starting out like Super is, it is easier to pay the pass line bet while you are getting the flow of the game. Also Lucky, if you play the 4 or 10, you are better off buying them over placing them...$10 bet pays you $19 on buy instead of $18 for place.
big possum, you are right, It is better to pay the vig and buy the 4 or 10, however most casinos do not allow you to buy the 4 or 10 until you have a wager of 20 dollars or more on either number. I have only played at one that let me buy it at 10 dollars. And at that point it is only worth it to buy it for 10 dollars if the house lets you pay the vig after your bet is won, instead of as you make the bet. Place it for 10 to make 18 , or buy it and risk 11 to pay 19. kind of apples to apples if you ask me. But thats why its important to know if you have to pay the vig ahead of time or not. Its a gimme at 20 because your making 39 instead of 36, thats a bigger difference. Actually most of the time when you get a 4 or 10 up to 20 dollars the dealers tell you to drop a dollar and they buy it for you without even asking. And we could debate the pass line with odds vs. place bets all day long, but it basically just comes down to what your style of play is i guess. Using a flat bet of 10 dollars. If you break it down and do the math. And this only works on a 100x odds table. But if you use a 10 dollar flat bet and compare flat bet with odds (pass line with odds) vs. place bet payouts, then it only benefits you to make a flat bet with odds at 400 dollars for the 4 and 10, 150 on the 5 and 9, and 360 for the 6 and 8. I also took into consideration that your flat bet can never be removed and is always working and is at risk of being lost on the come out rolls. so these numbers include a 10 dollar cushion. So unless you were going to risk that much in odds right after the point is established for whatever number becomes the point. then you will make more money with place bets. For example, 10 dollar flat and 390 odds for a 4 and 10 pays 790. A 400 dollar buy bet pays 780 when you deduct your vig. Keep in mind some casinos allow put bets. And put bets are great because during your pressing when you get up to a 400 dollar 4 or 10, then you can tell the dealer to make your buy bet a put bet and get away from paying the vig. But remember that your flat bet works on the come out roll. Put bets can also be pressed and your odds can be removed at any time. Basically a come bet without going through the come. If you find a casino that allows this, definately keep gambling their, in my opinion its a huge advantage.
Lucky, Your right, I should prefaced it by saying depending on house rules...the casinos I play at allow buy bet at $10 and only collect vig on a win. Also, as far as flat bet on pass or come, I don’t usually worry about that because I have it in action to win and am not going to pick it up anyway. You made some good points though on 100 times odds and put bets.
Good Good bringing some life to what seemed to me to be a dead forum I like this. Sorry Lucky, didn't mean to defend so aggressively, I'm just tired of having people place bets without knowing the rules and slowing the game down. Plus I'm a firm believer of the pass line, it pays more in a lump sum, shows people its possible to win in craps. Many people forget how scary the Craps table can be from a noobs perspective, and pass is relatively safe with just over a 1% house edge, and it pays better with odds. money makes fear dissapear. With this said others are right to say it depends on your strategy.
possum, By having a come bet working all the time kind of acts like a hedge. Kind of to say, yeah the shooter sevened out but at least i won on the come bet. So i understand why a lot of players use that system. But doesn't it suck when you have 4 or 5 come bets working, the shooter hits his point, and then tosses a seven when hes coming out. Thats a 40 or 50 dollar loss (assuming you made ten dollar come bets), and your come bets come down. You can only have one come bet working so it doesn't hedge all the flat bets. To make matters worse you are forced to play the come again just to have numbers back in action. The shooter has to roll the number twice then, just to win on that number. Wouldn't you rather place the entire inside or just six and eight after the shooter establishes a point. This way you can pick which numbers you want working and get payed more money (depending on how much you bet). Not to mention after taking same bet on the first few inside numbers you are almost at break even and can start pressing from your winnings. You get payed everytime the shooter tosses one of your numbers. Other than the hedge by having a come bet working all the time, i just dont understand the benefit.
filthy, You keep referring back to how scary the craps table it is and how hard it is for a new player. I was a new player not that long ago and i never played the pass line untill it was my turn to toss the dice. I will admit the table can be intimidating. But knowledge takes the intimidation away and brings confidence. Especially when the player knows that they are making good bets. The worst bet is an uneducated bet. New player doesn't mean your incapable of learning. Not everyones the same though, i just think that it doesn't matter if your a new player or not, pass line is just a single bet of many. It's real big and close to player, its like that for a reason. The house wants these bets to be made. It appeals to the scared and uneducated. It's a good bet, but not the best bet. A 10 dollar pass line bet with 20 dollars in odds pays 34 dollars if your point is a six or eight. A 30 dollar six or eight placed pays 35. A 10 dollar pass line with 30 in odds pays 55 dollars if the point is a 5 or 9. 40 dollars placed pays 56. A 10 dollar pass line with 140 odds pays 290 if the point is a 4 or 10. 150 placed pays 293 after the vig. 4 and 10 / $10 dollar pass w/190 odds pays 390 -- $200 dollar buy bet pays 390 5 and 9 / $10 dollar pass w/ 40 odds pays 70 -- $ 50 dollar place pays 70 6 and 8 / $10 dollar pass w/ 50 odds pays 70 -- $60 dollar place pays 70 Its difficult to see a huge difference when using the 6 and 8 comparison because of the six dollar increments, but basically any wager below these amounts of 200 on the 4 and 10 , 50 on the 5 and 9, and 60 on the 6 and 8 pays better when placed or bought in the case of the 4 and 10. Unless you were planning on making large wagers like this right away, why commit 10 dollars on the pass line and not pick which number you want to bet on, and get paid less for the same investment. And like i said before, you are risking your 10 dollar flat at all times. i didn't here, but that should also be taken into consideration when comparing. Especially with come bets. I think proposition bets slow the game down more than place bets do. Dealers are usually lightning fast with place bets as long as they are made proper.
Big possum and filthy, I'm also glad to see some life in this forum. No need to apologize about defending. Thick skin here my friend. I'm on this forum to expand others knowledge as well as my own. I feel the best way to do that is to talk ideas and strategies and to debate a little. I'm probably the one defending strongly, i'm not trying to be a jag and i'm sure your not either. Just havin fun with it. I''m open to any thoughts, ideas, comments, concerns, or questions. LETS TALK CRAPS!!!
Open discussion is what a forum is all about...some people like the pass line and come line, others prefer the place and buy bets...and actually even some like the don't pass and don't come bets, all are GOOD plays (although I am NOT a fan of don't betting...I like the action and excitement at a table when someone is throwing lots of numbers either pass or place! Don't play doesn't allow for that) Like you guys I am looking for forum where lots of exchange takes place, know of any others?
All the somewhat good craps and dice setting forums cost money to use which is lame but why not make this a good forum spread the word. I'm pretty sure this site is casino affiliated wither online or physical if I'm wrong let a moderator correct me, either way it has potential.
