Biased Dice detections

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  1. ActiveLife, Apr 9, 2015

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    Hello Forum Community,
    I consider myself rather new to this game and absolutely hooked, it's all very exciting.

    I've read multiple threads here talking about Biased Dice... so as a "beginner" how would I learn how to detect such? If there is actually a way of detection at a live table without the use of tools, I'm sure that it is a well developed technique...

    So how do the experienced know?
     
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  2. Onautopilot, Apr 9, 2015

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    You pretty well don't know, and if you are not into dice control and all that stuff, don't sweat it. If there is a bias, it is so small you could not detect it at the table. If it happened to be so obvious that you could tell something, just keep your mouth shut, and take advantage of it! :)
     
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  3. ActiveLife, Apr 9, 2015

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    @Onautopilot
    Haha, I suppose you're right!

    I've seen videos of people spinning a die between their fingers and wasn't sure if there was a reason to develop that skill other than it looks neat.

    Thank you for the reply!
     
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  4. driglaz, Apr 10, 2015

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    If your new to DI just try and get the feeling for different dice sizes - this mainly effects your grip and throw don't worry about the casinos trying to cheat with biased dice
     
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  5. Harley, Apr 11, 2015

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    .... A lot of good baseball players never make it to the Majors because someone told them not to worry about hitting the curve-ball, just concentrate on the fastball

    Winning at craps is similar, if you assume you are always playing with fair balanced dice, you will never make it big time and win consistently

    SnakeEyes and his wife played with Fair Dice one day and won nearly $9,000. in Las Vegas -- he shortly thereafter boasted that he could easily win $1,000. per day at craps o_O

    ... ask him now how that is working out since he has had a run in with a few biased dice and had no idea on how to play -- like the curve-ball, it is a different game than just swinging at fastballs all day
     
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  6. TDVegas, Apr 11, 2015

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    All dice are biased. There are tolerances and if someone can pick up a pair of dice and see one is biased by .0000001 and the other is biased by .000000001....apply for a job at NASA.

    I don't believe any casino in Vegas (where licenses are guarded like ones own child) are knowingly employing biased dice to gain an advantage over patrons. There would have to be a huge conspiracy involving the factory management, workers, casino executives and floor people. Sorry, just don't believe it. Like DI, great claims need great evidence....not second hand hearsay.

    Snake is like everyone else who moves here...the more you play, the more hours you play, the more frequent visits to the casino...the greater the chances that the house edge plays out....

    Why would anyone winning $9,000 with regularity move to Boulder Highway? That's like Trump moving to the South Bronx.
     
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  7. Harley, Apr 11, 2015

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    95% of the craps DIs I know that live in Vegas agree that the casinos employ unbalanced dice to increase the House Advantage ...

    .... Except newbie SnakeEyes, but part-time Las Vegas resident Howard should convince him soon just what reality is
     
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  8. TDVegas, Apr 11, 2015

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    But that's all anecdotal, hearsay, no proof. If the DI's are winning, why complain? Gamblers tend to be a funny bunch when it comes to conspiracies...

    walking past a guy playing slots..."it's the weekend, they've got these machines fixed"
    walking by the craps table..."you guys must have these dice weighted, I'm getting crushed"
    walking by the BJ table..."that machine isn't shuffling, I'm being dealt the same lousy hands"
     
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  9. Harley, Apr 11, 2015

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    TDVegas - do us and the casinos a favor .... Keep your eyes closed and don't believe us
     
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  10. driglaz, Apr 11, 2015

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    This may be true for a random roller but for a DI using same dice would get non random results.
     
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  11. Harley, Apr 11, 2015

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    As soon as I see a DI setting the dice and using a soft finesse throw as taught by GTC and Heavy On-Axis schools when biased dice are being used, I immediately go to the Don't side .... that strategy has proven to be a winner long-term
     
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  12. TDVegas, Apr 11, 2015

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    The bias dice theory is propagated by a bunch of gambling complainers who think they are DI'ing but are having a bad day, bad week, bad year and are looking for some excuse that can't be leveled at....wait...it's coming....god forbid...............random rolling. The pin just dropped.
     
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  13. Harley, Apr 11, 2015

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    Those that don't believe in Biased dice have never used a $45. balancing caliper correctly ... I would bet my bottom dollar that TDVegas is in this category
     
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    Once again, it would have to be a huge conspiracy involving many people and companies...having dealers and pit bosses change dice to go against the play of the table, switch back when the players start playing with the bias---cat and dog cheating, back and forth. Jim Murren, Adelson and Wynn wouldn't for a second risk their entire career and company licensing on that nonsense.

    If you want to believe all that, be my guest. I think it's delusional and reeks of believing green men live on Mars theories, landing on the moon was faked and Elvis is alive. Believe whatever makes you happy.
     
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  15. driglaz, Apr 11, 2015

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    TD when do you pull off the dark side after the 1st or 2nd point is made?
    I have seen guys like you lose big playing the don't again t me?
    I recognize some don't betters in AC who recognize me and wont bet against me anymore - i take pride in it.
     
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  16. driglaz, Apr 11, 2015

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    I don't buy the casinos are trying to distribute different weighted dice to increase there edge. Sounds Fugazzi to me
     
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  17. TDVegas, Apr 11, 2015

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    hearsay, anecdotal, no proof. I card count and win big. I get kicked out of casinos. My Ferrari is in the garage. Etc. I don't expect anyone to believe me. Casino braggery like yours---I expect maybe 1% are truthful.
     
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  18. driglaz, Apr 11, 2015

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    I have no reason to fabricate anything - And what outrageous claims have i really made? I have seen some wild stuff at the craps table. Big wins & big losses - :)

    I have lived it so don't give a shit if you believe me or not - i speak the truth based on over 15 years of playing craps & using DI
     
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  19. Harley, Apr 11, 2015

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    The Gambler's Book Shop in Las Vegas motto is "knowledge is protection." At the store, they have a book by Steven L Forte for $750.00 called “Casino Game Protection: A Comprehensive Guide” ….. you can also get it on Amazon from about $300. to $2,900.

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/0975986406/ref=olp_tab_used?ie=UTF8&condition=used

    As explained on our website (Link listed in my signature), there are no technical dice specification laws in Nevada and Forte states in his aforementioned book on page 247:
    This vagueness in the Nevada dice laws allows the casinos to have an unfair game and increase the House edge as much as they desire --- just like they did when they started using 6:5 BlackJack to increase the House edge by over 800 percent (seehttp://www.blackjack-scams.com/html/6_5_blackjack.html )

    .... many still think that is ridiculous and no one has lost their casino license
     
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  20. driglaz, Apr 11, 2015

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    Does new jersey & las vegas have the same regulations?
     
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