Biased Dice detections

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  1. Harley, Apr 18, 2015

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    Sancho Panza - the Casinos are easily identified in each video ... If you are having trouble hearing the Casino name or seeing the Casino name of a specific referenced die, just tell me which minute mark of which video and I will be able to help you ID the casino.
     
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  2. petroglyph, Apr 19, 2015

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    You are right. HA plus overtipping would take one hell of a game to come out with winning numbers. I didn't set out to tip that much, and I am guessing how much? That also represents that the tips except the last one were all "putting the dealers in the game". I would place one to two dollars on my odds, as I don't take max. odds. I am a red chip player. I also put them on top of place 4 or ten bets and made them "parlay" with me. We hit quite a few of them as well as hardways. Come to think of it, it probably totaled more than a hundred as I recall them receiving at least 4 hardway bets I put them in on? In retrospect, I overtipped plane and simple, but my hindsight is at least 20/20. I did get a buttload of goodwill for it though, we will see if it pays dividends?
     
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  3. hdgamblinman, Apr 19, 2015

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    this thread is getting ridiculous like all the other ones here, too many people thinking they're "Dice Gods"
     
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  4. petroglyph, Apr 21, 2015

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    Sancho, I have re-considered and I believe you deserve another answer.

    On the co roll, if a player bets D/D on the the co roll for 36 million rolls and bets identical units, in the course of those wagers the player will lose 1 million units, whatever those are.

    You asked me if I had a better bet and my quick answer was no, because all wagers carry a HA.

    That being said, IMO a better hedge [that being what a doey don't is] would be this : if you are already playing the don't and have odds on the 4/10 then a better hedge is placing a hard 4/10 respectively.

    If playing the right side, where there has been so many disagreements about which is the "best" bet on the table, other than taking some other player's unused behind odds, is, IMO the very best bet is the "vig" itself on a buy 4 or 10. Using a 15 dollar 4 for example, without the vig the bet pays 9/5 or @ 15 it pays [as you know] 27. If the player pays the dollar vig, that vig bet ITSELF will pay 3 for 1, @ 20 it pays 4 for 1 and at 25 [best] it will pay rather than 45 for a 25 dollar wager, the VIG will get the player 50 bucks, or 5 for 1 dollar wagered on a bet that is not a one roll wager, pays as often as 1 in 3 times, and can be taken down at will. IMO

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  5. driglaz, Apr 30, 2015

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    Next time the box-man brings a new stick of dice to my table, if i don't cash out then, I will bet lightly and observe before resuming to previous level. Losing trust in a casino is never a good situation.
     
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  6. Pressit, Apr 30, 2015

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    About a year ago I was at the Harrah's Casino, in Chester, PA. It was about noon they already had 2 tables open and was preparing to open a 3rd table. A dealer was opening a new stick of dice and was checking them by spinning them prior to play. I noticed the dealer did the same thing for each and every die. She would spin them, look at them and while they were still spinning stop them with her hand. I asked her if she would be interested in allowing the dice to come to a complete rest? NO, was her reply. Why even bother to spin the dice if you are not going to observe the final results?
     
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  7. superrick, Apr 30, 2015

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    That's because they have been told to not let them come to a stop.
    The other trick they pull is to tighten up the caliber so they do not spin freely and the caliber is acting like a brake, so the die just stops without freely coming to a stop!
     
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  8. Harley, Apr 30, 2015

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    Pressit - I agree - The Casinos do not want to see the rocking motion caused by an imbalance on video eye-in-the-sky or John Public.

    Pressit - next time grab her dealer ID name and description and we will add her to our Public list of bad Dealers. In one state, we had a Boxman fired for not properly spinning the dice and 17 other employees put on notice on how to spin the dice correctly by the Gaming Commission.
     
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    I was in one casino recently where the dice were kind to players. The casino changed out the dice three times in four hours. Finally the third set of dice were kind to the casino.
     
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  10. Harley, Apr 30, 2015

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    We have complained to several states' Gaming Commissions and legislatures that checking dice and cards behind closed doors like they do in Las Vegas is not right for integrity and trust of the game. Several states have actually written into law like Ohio and Pennsylvania that the spinning of dice must be done on the casino floor in public view, so casino management is doing what Pressit described getting around the law.
     
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    Let me state that I do not know Harley, never pmed with him, although I wanted to this past weekend.
    I tend to believe, (not intentionally by casinos), that any dice being tossed and smacked constantly has to be off balanced. Corrupt.
    Does it mean more 7s will come out, I don't know, I don't think so, but I have been trying to find patterns on bubble craps machines just for this reason.
    How can something be tumbled, smashed, hit chips, wooden rails, hit metal foot rests when tossed off tables, and not become somewhat compromised?

    I noticed something this past weekend, maybe I posted about it, don't remember, I wont look back.
    when I stepped up to play I waited to hand my buy in money in until the shooter made his point or 7 out.
    while standing there waiting, the guy shooting hit (I don't remember exactly now, everything blends in a bit I play too much lately)3, maybe even 4 hard sixes, in around 10 rolls.
    He made his point, I think it was an 8.
    I bought in, and I knew immediately I was going to bet hard 6. No doubt in my mind, coincidence maybe, but 40% of the rolls I witnessed?
    sounds like compromised dice to me.
    He rolled another hard 6 for the comeout, and I immediately put 10 or 20, don't recall now, on the hard six.
    A roll or two later, he tossed a die off the table.
    They threw him new dice and he hit the point of 6, but it wasn't hard.
    And I don't think I saw another hard six from him that roll.

    funny, before they changed out the dice combo, he was hitting them, then boom, no more.
    Like I said, short time playing there, could be strictly coincidental, but it really pissed me off he threw one off the table and then, with new dice, he never hit it.

    Im not saying a casino would ever put bad dice in play that they think would 7 out more often, I just think dice get compromised eventually, but who can tell.

    I love the pit twirling the die in his fingers, his grubby finger, like oh yea, they are fine, my perfectly calibrated thumb and forfinger says so.
     
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  12. The Midnight Skulker, May 1, 2015

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    Sounds like Circus Circus, Reno. An ex-dealer I met in another Reno casino said, "Somebody throws a hard eight and they call it a hand."
     
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