Biased Dice detections

Discussion in 'General Craps Discussion' started by ActiveLife, Apr 9, 2015.

  1. petroglyph, Apr 18, 2015

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    Let me re-phrase then. What are you talking about? You mention the do/don't and then talk about a DC. Are you calling anything other than putting chips in the DC box a DC bet?

    And, you are correct, I mispoke of the DP traveling...good catch
     
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  2. Dave G Ct, Apr 18, 2015

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    Are you saying that you are laying against the point and placing the 6&8?
     
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  3. Dave G Ct, Apr 18, 2015

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    Yes I lay against the DP and put chips in the DC box.
     
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  4. TDVegas, Apr 18, 2015

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    If you are that afraid of losing the come out roll on either side---I would suggest, what are you doing in the casino?
     
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  5. TDVegas, Apr 18, 2015

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    No...point established, make an odds bet (0% HA)---place the 6 & 8. Honestly, who cares what system you use? They all contain a house edge. A doey don't is just some convoluted, complicated hedging method that does nothing other than risk more money. You are there to gamble---take your chances on one side or the other.
     
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  6. Sancho Panza, Apr 18, 2015

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    Have you ever done that with genuine casino dice?
     
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  7. TDVegas, Apr 18, 2015

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    Isn't the better question, why is someone who is making a living playing craps---pulling in more than $1,000 every week on average, so hell bent on raising red flags about those bias dice which may very well result in screwing up his play if changes are made. Isn't that killing the goose that lays the golden egg?
     
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  8. Dave G Ct, Apr 18, 2015

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    Got your play now. Nothing wrong with that.
     
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  9. TDVegas, Apr 18, 2015

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    See----"Bubble craps glitch"
     
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  10. basicstrategy777, Apr 18, 2015

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    You forget the house gets a piece of every bet you make. Every bet.

    The doey plus the don't = 3%.......not just one of them. If you only bet one of them, it's going to cost you.

    777
     
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  11. KokomoJoe4, Apr 18, 2015

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    I wouldn't do it, primarily because I don't want to load up the odds on the Don't. Just isn't my style. But, for those who want to have the constant advantage while playing craps (in terms of being "favored" to win, obviously not an advantage vs. the house), minimal offsetting line bets and laying maximum odds is the way to play. These players concede the line bet, it's a guaranteed small loser. Not necessarily so, with respect to their much larger odds wager.
     
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  12. Onautopilot, Apr 18, 2015

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    The only problem with that view, is that the only way the player can win, is to win on the odds bets...if they win on the odds bets, they would have won on the don't pass line also. So why not just bet it? You are expected to do better that way in any case. It just doesn't make sense to me to hedge a relatively small DP bet to lay odds. Sure the come out roll is a negative, but once you get a point established you are the strong favorite to win the bet....in fact the bet pays much better than your don't odds does, don't give it away! I'm not saying a player should not play this strategy, just saying if they really thought about it, and understood it, there might be a better way for them.
     
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  13. Onautopilot, Apr 18, 2015

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    You are saying you "lay the odds" right, not lay the number with a vig?
     
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  14. Dave G Ct, Apr 18, 2015

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    One last thing I forgot to say, once the DC is established you remove the lay odd on the DP. I am playing right 90% of the time. I used to play it when the tables looked cold.
     
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  15. Harley, Apr 18, 2015

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    Sure .... and here are a series of videos using genuine casino dice:

    http://www.dailymotion.com/playlists/user/LVBearGrowls/1

    .... and here is another video using genuine casino dice,
    start the video at minute 3:00 if you want to skip the introduction:

     
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  16. Morgue, Apr 18, 2015

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    Just to clear up some obvious confusion about Dave's method of the doey/don't. This is what I believe he does:

    * $10 each PL and DP
    * Point established for example is 5
    * He lays the DP for $15
    * Makes a $10 DC bet
    * After the DC travels he removes the lay on the DP

    Pros:
    * Lowers negative variance
    * Fiddly system to keep the player busy/amused

    Cons:
    * lowers positive variance
    * more than double the HA of a stand alone DP/DC bet.
     
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  17. Sancho Panza, Apr 18, 2015

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    Got a better bet?
     
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  18. Sancho Panza, Apr 18, 2015

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    Which casinos are those dice from?
     
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  19. petroglyph, Apr 18, 2015

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    No, not really. Every bet the house offers has a edge. Even the much ballyhooed "free odds" bet doesn't get there without somebody paying the "vig",which is the passline. You pays your dues, you takes your chances. What do you want, return on your capitol or "return of your capitol". I know you already know. It is all gambling.

    I just got back from a game. I played what I consider great! I only lost a hundred bucks. I think that is somewhere near the amount I tipped?

    If someone can overcome the 3% H.E. on doey/don't, more power to 'em. I got no excuse for my behavior as I said, I make some stupid bets and have a blast doing it "when they hit".

    To be clear,,,,I am not a lifetime winner. I consider myself very lucky to stay "ahead" for a few months, having the personal ability to forget all the games played before that.
     
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  20. Morgue, Apr 18, 2015

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    You tipped $100 for the night? Very generous of you. Makes winning that much more of an uphill battle to overcome both the house edge AND gratuities.
     
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