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Discussion in 'Other Casino Games' started by Craps Poopshoot, Dec 10, 2016.
But what if the "G" rated casinos are dropping a few 10 count cards from the decks. Like you say, the casinos can "rig" any and all games.
And THEN there are the " shuffle " techniques being utilized by the casinos !
In multiple deck games - which includes DOUBLE DECK GAMES -
The decks of cards need to be " Shimmy shuffled / Washed / Mixed together " to ensure a " RANDOM INITIAL DISTRIBUTION " -
However, IF ONE is NOT PRESENT when the table opens and observes the shuffle tactics of the house -
One ASSUMES that the cards are properly mixed -
However, such is NOT the case in the majority of casinos in Las Vegas !
I refrain from divulging further information regards the above - BUT - I WILL say THIS -
WATCH - with a jaundiced eye -
EXACTLY HOW the dealer INITIALLY shuffles - MULTIPLE DECKS of cards in Black Jack - including double decks -
There are certain shuffle techniques utilized by the casinos which are EXTREMELY detrimental to the player !
Most casinos use machines to shuffle the cards. This prevents the dealers from performing a false shuffle or to stack the deck to be in collusion with another player who is paying them to do this. This has been the biggest problem by far for the casinos.
Of course players will take advantage of a weak dealer who is not shuffling well, and leaving a part of the shoe repeatable or rich in a type of card.
A lot of casinos have a pre-shuffle room in the back where the cards are stored and retrieved when the table are not in operation. The shuffle room, reshuffles the cards and then packs them in special boxes then seals them with a security plastic wrap. When the table opens the dealer grabs the pre-shuffled cards and brings it all out to to the table where the dealer and the pitboss go though the cards to ensure that all is well. Again, this is more for the casino to see that the dealer is not setting up the deck so a player can come in and gain the advantage.
I guess is it possible that if the casino knows that Mr. X will be at a certain table at a certain time, and knows his play style - could setup a shoe that he loses on. Does this happen? I have no idea. It seems far fetched, but then I have seen a lot of far fetched stuff in this town.
Most likely the shuffle machines ensure a well mixed shoe that is evenly distributed so that the house keeps its edge.
If they did that a skilled card counter might have an advantage similar to a skilled dice influencer: ZERO!
Who's to say these shuffle machines cant be screwed with to ensure a "good shuffle" for the house? These shuffle machine companies rely on casinos for business. You think if Wynn calls them and says we need to increase the table take from 4% to 4.5%...the shuffle company isn't going to comply?
The conspiracy stuff can go on and on until the paranoid player actually sees his head explode in frustration.
There's no such thing as "cheating just a little".
It's either cheating or not. If one game, one nuance of games can and is screwed with...then the idea that others can't is beyond naive. Casinos will do whatever is necessary to ensure profits. No game is "off the table"....is what I'm hearing.
Shuffle machines are used primarily in multiple deck shoe games and that is to accelerate the amount of hands that the dealer can deal -
Usually two packs of cards are used - a blue pack and a red pack -
The dealer deals one pack while the second pack is being shuffled in the automatic shuffle machine.
The biggest problem with collusion, false shuffles and other dealer cheating tactics are mostly employed in the hand held 1 and 2 deck games where the dealer can manipulate the cards with ease thereby ensuring the casino maintains its advantage over the players!
Also, I will give you Black Jack players a little tid-bit of information -
Unless the dealer performs a " wash " technique with the deck(s) of cards the player is at a distinct disadvantage until the cards are properly mixed thru continuous play of about 2 hours !
The " wash " technique is when the dealer takes 2 or more decks of cards and mixes them together in a swirling method prior to shuffling them.
Without the wash technique in play the dealer simply splits the deck in half and riffle shuffles them together maintaining the high - low sequence of cards which was the order that the manufacturer uses to box the cards and simplifies the inspection process to easily ensure that all cards are in the deck !
And AVOID the 6-5 games like the plague !