----the plan is to use this thread to make revisions or additions--if any--to the bohunk challenge...the plan is, as here, to paste the latest version in its entirety...thus the latest post showing it here should be the current version...that is the plan anyway----- tabletop made a claim that he could roll fewer 7s than expectation in 72 rolls...this prompted adding a bet against that to the bohunk challenge and is reflected in the revised version below. once again please feel free to make any claim of skill at bank craps that you wish to which you can attach numbers (for example as tt did) and a bc bet can likely be structured around it. most DIers have declined participation, generally misunderstanding that the bc is simply BETS designed for gamblers...,it means nothing beyond that and certainly proves nothing...these looking for meaning or to prove something apparently do not like easy money, are not really gamblers or actually lack confidence in their claimed expertise---if their claims were actually true, they would be at an advantage in the bc bets. nevertheless no one is forcing anyone to do anything...those that decline however are very much mistaken if they therefore think that the bohunk has no validity or interest: one random roller has already taken the challenge, three others have said they would, awaiting only the solution of logistical issues...and at least 2 DIers are seriously considering it and a third would like to but has declined for legitimate personal reasons. note in the rules below that the bc is available at basically any legal casino...yes, there are logistical issues that would need to be worked out but the bohunk does play sometimes in casinos all over the us and further has engaged trusted sources to be his witness. the Tough Craps player is putting up the money...his motive was frustration with YEARS of talk on here and never DO...and not primarily monetary--he is actually at relatively serious financial risk in some of the challenges while standing to benefit relatively little but even so has agreed to keep jacob in suds with 20% of his winnings or $10, whichever is greater...in that vein a beer fund "tip" from any winners would also be nice and appreciated i am sure... but some have told the TC player that they do not want his money...No --- and how funny is this? --- they "want tdvegas's money"...one even told me he "WILL take tdvegas's money" <emphasis his>...tdv has agreed and i gave my word that it would be tdv's money that i would bring (he wanted no part of tdv's actual presence...LOL!)...but this too turned out to be nothing but talk, talk, talk...no DO. ------------------------------------------------------- BOHUNK CHALLENGE COMPLETE DETAILS >>the bohunk challenge is valid in any legal casino in the us or its territories, canada or 'ustralier.<< >>more than one shooter is allowed to participate in the roll count<< >>participants are in COMPLETE CONTROL as to which rolls "count" as long as it is stated before the roll...in this regard one would "hope" that all rolls would count unless called off...however if he wishes, it is the shooter(s) prerogative to so designate before each individual roll so long as it is clearly understood before the roll which rolls are "on"<< >>participants are in COMPLETE CONTROL as to which casino(s) are used, which table(s) are played, how many sessions it takes, what superstitions he wishes to entertain and in control of all such similar details<< 6 6s in 36 Roll 60 or more 6s in 360 rolls pays 10 to 1 ($100 max bet pays $1000) Roll 84 or more 6s in 500 rolls pays 12 to 1 ($100 max bet pays $1200) Roll 167 or more 6s in 1000 rolls pays 50 to 1 ($20 max bet pays $1000) Roll 500 or more 6s in 3000 rolls pays 100 to 1 ($10 max bet pays $1000) Roll 833 or more 6s in 5000 rolls pays 200 to 1 ($10 max bet pays $2000) >>>8s can be substituted for 6s but not combined ...however separate bets for both can be made using the same rolls, if desired...separate dollar amounts can also be made for either as long the amounts are specified as to which amount is on the 6s and which on the 8s<<< ---------------------------------------------------------- SRR OF 7 OR BETTER Roll 51 or fewer 7s in 360 rolls pays 6 to 1* ($200 max bet pays $1200) Roll 71 or fewer 7s in 500 rolls pays 7 to 1 ($150 max bet pays $1050) Roll 142 or fewer 7s in 1000 rolls pays 12 to 1** ($100 max bet pays $1200) Roll 428 or fewer 7s in 3000 rolls pays 75 to 1 ($20 max bet pays $1500) Roll 714 or fewer 7s in 5000 rolls pays 125 to 1 ($10 max bet pays $1250) *this represents a change, an increase from 5 to 1 **this represent a change, an increase from 10 to 1 ---------------------------------------------------------- 11 OR FEWER 7s IN 72 ROLLS Roll 11 or fewer 7s in 72 rolls pays even money $10 minimum bet. $500 maximum tom p ------>edit: latest version on post #17 PS WHILE CASINOS NOT ONLY TOLERATE BUT SOME EVEN SEEM TO WELCOME NOTEBOOK TRACKING OF ROLLS AT THE TABLE ---which obviously will be necessary in the bohunk challenge--- THEY WILL NOT TOLERATE "SIDE BETS"...GREAT CARE WILL THUS NEED TO BE TAKEN THAT THE CONFIDENTIALITY OF WHAT IS GOING ON IS MAINTAINED. "loose lips sinks ships".

Tomp...Once again I would like to STEP UP and take this challenge. My only caveat, with your blessing is I would like to do this on the bubble craps "slot machine" this time utilizing my "bubble influence" talents. Rick is welcome to watch. Vegas in January.... I'm 0-1 and would like a shot at redemption.

too bad tom couldn't make it a few days earlier this month. I would have loved to battle him out at any table with a percentage of buy in battle to see how a tough craps player stands against a less tough craps player, but still consider myself somewhat of tough player as I stick to low HA bets and never deviate. would have been interesting for sure. fucking flight, if it wasn't for 6 hours on plane, Id go back. AC or PA is just as good for me. whenever tom gets out east, well have a little hoedown showdown. should be fun.

the "east" was at one time my old stomping grounds, especially the wash dc-nyc corridor, but PA too... one never knows of course but right now a trip east of michigan simply does not look like it is in the cards for me other than a fairly remote possibility to CT at some future time...it is for that reason that just right now in fact i am in the process of engaging another "trusted" witness who is in fact in PA...not sure how close-by he is to mt airy but too there always might be an acceptable mid-or-other point that might work... and it goes without saying that in all cases obviously anything to be worked out would need to be acceptable to all parties. the entire weltanschauung, the entire rationale for the money that has been put where his mouth is is that craps rolls in a legal casino are random. it is the reason participants are in complete control of the details. so, yes, of course you can use the bubble. tom p

I found this challenge tempting, and seriously considered taking it while I was in Vegas. I think the 10:1 odds are good for 60 sixes in 360 rolls. What tipped the scales away from it for me was just that it seemed too laborious, and therefore not much fun. Waiting for the dice to come around again and again, and keeping track of it all, no thanks. I also considered using the NEXT 360 rolls, regardless of who threw them. Although I'm not interested in the challenge anymore, I am interested to know if that would have been acceptable?

no issue with "keeping track" actually as there needs to be a witness that does that (with the participant verifying it all along as needed of course) but you are certainly correct, badddoin, that there are logistical issues with the challenge...this has never been denied...but there is great flexibility too...a relatively vacant table would be best of course, the challenge can take place over the course of many sessions, at many different tables, at many different casinos and, yes, with many different shooters...the participant has complete control over which rolls "count" to expand on that here again below are some excerpts from the rules (and note the first one too...i sometimes play at casinos all over the country and with some heightened interest recently i am also in the process of engaging trusted witnesses all over the country...pm me if you wish at the places where you usually play: >>the bohunk challenge is valid in any legal casino in the us or its territories, canada or 'ustralier.<< >>more than one shooter is allowed to participate in the roll count<< >>participants are in COMPLETE CONTROL as to which rolls "count" as long as it is stated before the roll...in this regard one would "hope" that all rolls would count unless called off...however if he wishes, it is the shooter(s) prerogative to so designate before each individual roll so long as it is clearly understood before the roll which rolls are "on"<< >>participants are in COMPLETE CONTROL as to which casino(s) are used, which table(s) are played, how many sessions it takes, what superstitions he wishes to entertain and in control of all such similar details<< if the challenge takes a year or more to play out, so be it...no big deal just so long is everybody is having fun. thank you for your past interest and good luck at the tables tom p

Get over it no one in their right minded is going to take it. It doesn't prove anything ALL IT WOULD PROVE IS THERE IS SOMEONE OUT THERE WILLING TO BOW DOWN TO YOU TWO GUYS!

excellent, demang!...i will add it BOHUNK CHALLENGE COMPLETE DETAILS >>the bohunk challenge is valid in any legal casino in the us or its territories, canada or 'ustralier.<< >>more than one shooter is allowed to participate in the roll count<< >>participants are in COMPLETE CONTROL as to which rolls "count" as long as it is stated before the roll...in this regard one would "hope" that all rolls would count unless called off...however if he wishes, it is the shooter(s) prerogative to so designate before each individual roll so long as it is clearly understood before the roll which rolls are "on"<< >>participants are in COMPLETE CONTROL as to which casino(s) are used, which table(s) are played, how many sessions it takes, what superstitions he wishes to entertain and in control of all such similar details<< 6 6s in 36 Roll 60 or more 6s in 360 rolls pays 10 to 1 ($100 max bet pays $1000) Roll 84 or more 6s in 500 rolls pays 12 to 1 ($100 max bet pays $1200) Roll 167 or more 6s in 1000 rolls pays 50 to 1 ($20 max bet pays $1000) Roll 500 or more 6s in 3000 rolls pays 100 to 1 ($10 max bet pays $1000) Roll 833 or more 6s in 5000 rolls pays 200 to 1 ($10 max bet pays $2000) >>>8s can be substituted for 6s but not combined ...however separate bets for both can be made using the same rolls, if desired...separate dollar amounts can also be made for either as long the amounts are specified as to which amount is on the 6s and which on the 8s<<< ---------------------------------------------------------- SRR OF 7 OR BETTER Roll 51 or fewer 7s in 360 rolls pays 6 to 1* ($200 max bet pays $1200) Roll 71 or fewer 7s in 500 rolls pays 7 to 1 ($150 max bet pays $1050) Roll 142 or fewer 7s in 1000 rolls pays 12 to 1** ($100 max bet pays $1200) Roll 428 or fewer 7s in 3000 rolls pays 75 to 1 ($20 max bet pays $1500) Roll 714 or fewer 7s in 5000 rolls pays 125 to 1 ($10 max bet pays $1250) *this represents a change, an increase from 5 to 1 **this represent a change, an increase from 10 to 1 ---------------------------------------------------------- 11 OR FEWER 7s IN 72 ROLLS Roll 11 or fewer 7s in 72 rolls pays even money $10 minimum bet. $500 maximum 13 OR MORE 7s IN 72 ROLLS Roll 13 or more 7s in 72 rolls pays even money $10 minimum bet. $500 maximum tom p

I assume you have a date in mind for the BC, but I can't seem to locate it. Isn't January a big convention month in LV, who wants to live out of their car? Any thoughts on inluding the 4's, 5's, 9's and 10's? That may be of interest to some Di's? Also, if a particpant selected, "Roll 60 or more 6s in 360 rolls", bet and won that bet, would they then be allowed to roll this over into the next level, "Roll 84 or more 6s in 500 rolls", by paying the extra $100? So the partisipant would need to roll an additional 24 6's in the next 140 rolls. How will the purse money be verified? Can the maximum bet be increased? Example, Roll 167 or more 6s in 1000 rolls pays 50 to 1 ($20 max bet pays $1000) Raise the maximum bet here to $50, or more? You may want to give Cherokee a look if your road show comes East.

yeah, but if its a weekend, we will have to take oxygen tanks with masks because last time I was at mount airy on a Saturday night, the air was unbreathable. 3,4,5 times odds is not a tough craps players favorite. Hollywood in Grantville might offer 5-10 times odds with 5 dollar tables during the day.

no. the bc is an ongoing challenge and valid at any legal casino in the us or its territories (eg puerto rico), canada, or 'ustralier and available at any time where a meeting either with myself or designated witness/judge can be arranged is cherokee your local joint? where is it? there would be a possibility that i could be there sometime in feb/march OR arrange for a trusted witness/judge at any convenient time frame...if you are actually interested, pm me & we can probably line up something and roll on... obviously there will always be logistical and "get-together" issues and certainly vegas would be the most common locale...i will personally be in vegas from jan 8 thru at least jan 18th and then on-again-off-again in feb-march...but even at other times in vegas i have a witness/judge who can stand in for me... for example i will be passing through the tunicas ms area on my way to fla ball and am in fact working with a member of this forum right now on the possibility of holding the challenge somewhere in that area. IOW, pressit, what works for you? you would be in complete control of all of the details...where it is played, what table, how many tables, what rolls "count" how many sessions it takes, how many different casinos, even how many shooters are used...(complete rules below again) if the bc takes a year to complete, so what? all that matters is that all involved are having fun...it is plainly and simply gambling, just bets, nothing more, nothing less. what do you propose? the bc is open to any claim of skill at bank craps...say what you can do with "4's, 5's, 9's and 10's" and a betting line can probably be attached to it and added to the challenge. this invitation to add bets to the bc has been out there since day 1, awaiting only your proposition. no. that would be a new bet 24 in 140, which currently does not exist on the bc... AND THERE YOU GO, pressit, BINGO! THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT: since you proposed it i will add it!! see the revised bc below...only i will go you one better...um...actually four better: just to make the roll total in increments of the 36, i will make it 24 in 144 rolls...and the payout will be 5 to 2 with a max bet of $400 thus you could, as in your example, make the bet immediately after your 60 in 360 win or at anytime that it is convenient and a witness/judge can be arranged. ---------------------------------------------------------- BOHUNK CHALLENGE COMPLETE DETAILS >>the bohunk challenge is valid in any legal casino in the us or its territories, canada or 'ustralier.<< >>more than one shooter is allowed to participate in the roll count<< >>participants are in COMPLETE CONTROL as to which rolls "count" as long as it is stated before the roll...in this regard one would "hope" that all rolls would count unless called off...however if he wishes, it is the shooter(s) prerogative to so designate before each individual roll so long as it is clearly understood before the roll which rolls are "on"<< >>participants are in COMPLETE CONTROL as to which casino(s) are used, which table(s) are played, how many sessions it takes, what superstitions he wishes to entertain and in control of all such similar details<< >>$10 minimum bet unless otherwise indicated. maximum bet as shown<< 6 6s in 36 Roll 24 or more 6s in 144 rolls pays 5 to 2 ($400 max bet pays $1000) Roll 60 or more 6s in 360 rolls pays 10 to 1 ($100 max bet pays $1000) Roll 84 or more 6s in 500 rolls pays 12 to 1 ($100 max bet pays $1200) Roll 167 or more 6s in 1000 rolls pays 50 to 1 ($20 max bet pays $1000) Roll 500 or more 6s in 3000 rolls pays 100 to 1 ($10 max bet pays $1000) Roll 833 or more 6s in 5000 rolls pays 200 to 1 ($10 max bet pays $2000) >>>8s can be substituted for 6s but not combined ...however separate bets for both can be made using the same rolls, if desired...separate dollar amounts can also be made for either as long the amounts are specified as to which amount is on the 6s and which on the 8s<<< ---------------------------------------------------------- SRR OF 7 OR BETTER Roll 51 or fewer 7s in 360 rolls pays 6 to 1 ($200 max bet pays $1200) Roll 71 or fewer 7s in 500 rolls pays 7 to 1 ($150 max bet pays $1050) Roll 142 or fewer 7s in 1000 rolls pays 12 to 1** ($100 max bet pays $1200) Roll 428 or fewer 7s in 3000 rolls pays 75 to 1 ($20 max bet pays $1500) Roll 714 or fewer 7s in 5000 rolls pays 125 to 1 ($10 max bet pays $1250) ---------------------------------------------------------- 11 OR FEWER 7s IN 72 ROLLS Roll 11 or fewer 7s in 72 rolls pays even money ($500 max bet pays $500) 13 OR MORE 7s IN 72 ROLLS Roll 13 or more 7s in 72 rolls pays even money ($500 max bet pays $500) tom p

So, now everybody wants to take his money? I think that TDVeag should put up some money! Then, we could be done with this thread!

Tom I have PM'd, I don't need more than $10, but we do need to put this thread to sleep. I will do what I can. In my memory I still chuckle when all the big know it all's in Vegas, including The Wizard himself, lost thousands, or was it tens of thousands of dollars in the last and only craps challenge.( Not anecdotal, by the way TD.)