Bubble Craps and what you know about playing it

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  1. von duck, Dec 11, 2019

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    Math says you will see this scenario, less than once in 30,000 rolls. :confused: Your parlay gonna make enough to cover the other 29,999 + rolls? Let's see now, at the max, 90 rolls per hour, so 30000/90 = 333.3 hours. So 333.3/24 = 13.88. :) So about once every two weeks, with 24/7 play. Any "normal" guy working the bubble as a 40hr a week "JOB", would see this scenario, about once every EIGHT WEEKS!!! :confused: And it would probably happen when he was on a PISS BREAK. :D
     
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  2. TDVegas, Dec 11, 2019

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    You didn’t read my post....I specifically said “or variations of”. Eight weeks? Pffft. Maybe for you.

    That could be a simple 7-7 or 7-11 or 7-11-7. There are many variations.

    a strong play. Many opportunities. You stick with your hedge play.

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  3. von duck, Dec 11, 2019

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    In that bottom photo, a player playing double odds would still be down a bet after this scenario. So what's the point, you only lose ONE unit with a roll like this? :confused: :) In any case, all of these photos are past tense, so they are of no value, that I can see, and as usual, no BETS are shown. How convenient! :cool: I can't see any valid point at all. Just cherry-picked screens, total bullshit. You jump all over other players that past post their betting, on known results. Of course you can win money, if they would let you place your bets after you know the results. They DON'T, and they NEVER WILL. :cool:
     
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  4. TDVegas, Dec 11, 2019

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    Hey, I’m not advocating the play for everyone. Nor am I making claims I have any special powers with it to win. Just noting as a regular player/grinder at a negative expectation game....it is a strong play. The sims, not me, prove that out. I also like playing as "even up" a game as possible. If I'm looking for risk/reward....I'll play slots and hope to turn a .60 bet into this....

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    For you, living in Appalachia and no casino within 5 hours....I would probably advise you to take on more risk and go for something with more bang for the buck. Maybe fire bet.:confused:...I mean what are you going to do....drive 5 hours, buy in for $100 and go with a grind play for $34.50? Pffft.

    Everyone has their own ideas for their play. None are wrong or bad, relatively speaking. It's a personal choice. My response was to the OP. For me, I like it. You think the game is rigged. Why would you even be commenting on it as it relates to a good or bad bubble craps play??:confused::confused:

    Enjoy.
     
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  5. von duck, Dec 12, 2019

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    How much did you have to tip this guy, to get him to let you photograph his voucher? :D This is not much different than a photo of money, doesn't indicate a winner, because it doesn't attest to how much was put in the machine. Could be a winner, could be a loser, and there is no way to know who it belongs to. :cool: It however DOES attest to your ability to post a photo, excellent photo posting TD. :)
     
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  6. KokomoJoe4, Dec 12, 2019

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    There is no question that the expected 22.2% immediate come out winners, coupled to the parlay or better yet multiple parlays, offers the best opportunity for a win in the game of craps. I'm not terribly bright, and I knew this way before reading about it in The Dice Doctor. As TDV has said, what other bet in the casino has you as a 2:1 favorite, even if it's only for one roll?

    Playing experience over a lot of years has shown me that with very conservative play, aggressive progression at the right time and luck, you can beat the casino at the game of craps.

    The Baron has told us that he has developed a method of play that enables him to win more sessions than he loses. Apparently, a lot more. This intrigues me, and I would like to see details of his play. I guess that this play involves some hedging, or at least some use of a martingale at times. The thing about the Martingale is that one time is doesn't work.
     
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  7. Mssthis1, Dec 12, 2019

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    The end result is very close to the same. In a martingale or some variant you're plodding along with small wins and unless you start out very small and have a huge bankroll with huge nads, sooner or later that one big loss will wipe it all out and then some.

    A pass line parley is in a way a reverse martingale. Lots of small losses offset by the occasional large winner.

    The latter way to play is better for most players because you're probably exposing less money to the HA so you'll lose less over time. It's also much more fun for most people.

    I've been intrigued by the pass line parley and have been messing around with it the past couple sessions. I've been parleying 3 times and taking the 4th hit on the passline. After that I do whatever I feel like with it.

    Last night I got an $8 flat to $64 and hit it multiple times. Sometimes, I starting half pressing it after the $64 hit. Once I got it to $200, hit it, took it down to $20 and hit it 2 more times after that. Sometimes I put it in the bank and regressed. Sometimes I dispersed it to other bets.

    The good bad and ugly of last nights trip. It was a one man bubble. I was betting $8 because they have $1,2,4,8,20,and $40 chip selections on this particular machine. On these I get in well over 300 rolls an hour and I played almost 3 hours or approx 900 rolls.
    Betting was $8 pass with double odds, $4 on 4,5,9,10, $8 on 6/8. After 4 hits same bet I aggressively pressed with the exception of the pass line which I always parleyed until $64 then same bet, then whatever I felt like doing. As far as odds I was rather conservative because I wasn't in the mood to lose a lot of money if things didn't go well.

    Brought 2.5K with me. Had $1300 in the machine at the lowest point. Caught the long roll where I had the pass line well pressed and also got the 8 up to $300 and hit it at $300. The $300 eight got me $200 ahead so I regressed. The eight hit several more times, so in this case the regression hurt me but the next roll could of just as easily been a seven and then I would of still been $300+ down.

    Ended up +267.42 for the night.

    Wife wiffed on bingo. First time in a long time.
     
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  8. TDVegas, Dec 12, 2019

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    Everything posted on this forum is a story, an anecdote. It is left up to the reader, not the writer, to decide if he believes it as factual. Some still don't understand that. If I put my well being in whether you believe something I post...or not believe----that would be the day I hand in my internet priveleges.

    Taking a picture of someone else's voucher?? Aye...I would never let someone do that. Next thing you know the picture taker is running to security claiming he lost it. Since serial number and relevant data are on it....it could cause problems for the real owner of the voucher. Never, ever do that.

    This is Vegas...ground zero for scam artists.

    When I placed the 5 - $50 SuperBowl long shots for 5 members here...I would not post the ticket pictures here. With serial numbers on it...it could present issues if some scammer decided to call the casino claiming lost ticket. One of those tickets would have paid $5,000+. I emailed them instead.
     
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  9. TDVegas, Dec 12, 2019

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    And it will happen. Shit, I've seen a $1 bubble player on the don't pass lose $500 with a martingale. Nice enough guy and several warned him about the danger of this play. Friendly warning, but nonetheless..."be careful". That one time...all hell broke lose. He will never get back that loss with the way he plays.
     
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  10. Mssthis1, Dec 12, 2019

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    I've played enough various negative progressions on the don't pass flat bet in live play and on computer sims to know that being a 2/1 dog on comeout rolls is almost impossible to overcome in a negative progression or martingale. A martingale or some sort of negative progression has a better shot of winning on the pass line flat than anywhere else on the layout because you have a 2/1 advantage on comeout rolls.

    I did see a guy in Kansas City survive a very long roll while on the the don't side but, he risked over $20K to end up ahead a couple hundo on the eventual seven out. You can probably count the craps players in the world with the balls and bank to play that way on one hand.
     
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  11. TDVegas, Dec 12, 2019

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    I agree. If I was going to do a Marty....pass side only.

    Risk 20k to win a few hundred. Few and far players.

    There was a rumor, never confirmed or denied by the player....that the "Obie system" suffered 2 straight horrific losses of +20k utilizing some negative progression play.
     
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  12. von duck, Dec 12, 2019

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    Von duck does NOT "like" this. How on the bubble would you be able to get 1 roll every 12 seconds? :confused: On the bubbles I've seen, about 90 rolls per hour is MAX. :cool:
     
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  13. Mssthis1, Dec 12, 2019

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    It's a single player machine like this. This must be an old photo as all the ones I've played also have a button on either side in addition to the one in the middle. It just happens to be the first one I could find in a google search.

    No timer. As soon as you're ready you touch one of the buttons on either side or in the middle right in front of you and it rolls the dice. You can play as fast or slow as you want. Personally, I like to play fast. A full craps table plodding along a 1 roll or less a minute is worse than a root canal in my opinion. That's the main reason I quit playing with any groups of other craps players.

    Several of the area casinos have them now. They also make a baccarat, Blackjack and Roulette version. Footprint is the same size as a slant top slot or video poker machine.

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    What's wrong with a root canal?
     
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  15. eagleeye2, Dec 12, 2019

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    Single Player Table game Machines must be rather NEW, I have not seen them yet.

    What area of the Country do you patronize???

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  16. TDVegas, Dec 12, 2019

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    LOL....touché.

    As someone who has had one...a couple?....I commiserate.;)
     
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    Only one I ever had was in the Airforce and the military dentist was a little shy on the Novocaine or whatever they used dosage.
     
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    Prairie Meadows has 4, Meskwaki has 1 and Rhythm City in the Quad Cities has 2.

    I heard the D and Strat have them in Vegas but haven't been there to see for myself.
     
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    Getting time for a Downtown visit to update what’s going on....what machines are where. D had an Aruze....not sure now. Might be gone. I know Plaza had one, 4 Queens....can’t remember El Cortez.

    They did a big renovation on the canopy with new lighting. Supposed to be very nice, bright, clear.
     
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    [QUOTE="TDVegas, post: 267808, member: 176848
    This is Vegas...ground zero for scam artists.



    I watch the program cops, and vegas is one of the police forces it follows, pretty disgusting stuff, so many scam artists, pick pockets, someone always has an angle, but they claim they are innocent while trying to rip off tourists....Im amazed that people STILL give these scam artists even a second of their time. People are scared. that's what it boils down to.
    last night, while waiting for my wife, I was watching an episode of cops, and some crystal meth dealer was caught with scales and meth on him, or his buddy had it, and they found at least 10-15 grand in his pocket. He says, hey, I just won that in isle capri casino.(the episode was filmed somewhere in Louisiana) it made me chuckle, I figured for shit sure he was a DI shooter and must have had just an ordinary day winning 15 grand.
    or maybe he was one of TR31 crew members who just busted out a few bubbles.

    ah man, ya gotta luv this shit surrounding craps and all the glorious claims of fame and fortune.
     
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