Can You Accept The Possibility That You're Wrong?

Discussion in 'Dice Influencing' started by kaysirtap, Jan 17, 2012.

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Which statement best describes your general beliefs about dice control/influencing?

  1. I believe dice control works, and nothing will convince me that I'm wrong.

    54.2%
  2. I believe dice control works, but I'm willing to accept the possibility that I'm wrong.

    12.5%
  3. I don't believe dice control works, and nothing will convince me that I'm wrong.

    25.0%
  4. I don't believe dice control works, but I'm willing to accept the possibility that I'm wrong.

    8.3%
  5. I don't know whether or not dice control works.

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  1. kaysirtap, Jan 17, 2012

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    Perhaps, but I think that if you are practicing dice control "just in case", then you could be swayed to believe either side. Once your mind is made up, the question asks if it is possible to change it.
     
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  2. Southern-Comfort, Jan 17, 2012

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    It was, and I find it even curiouser that you linked the names correctly yet chose to evade it. Most people (even among DI's) would never have known that those last names had anything to do with casinos, much less be aware to what extent. So, you apparently know alot about casinos, yet want to know specifically about dice control. Ok, you want to know what makes a DI tick? I like to gamble now and again. Gambling means taking chances. I don't like not having the money to gamble (and thus can't) so I try to keep it as even as I can. Now if I were a pro, rather than simply a recreational gambler, I'd be going to profit. There are those who do, some are successful at it. Most of those who are successful get greedy and either get barred or start thinking they can outsmart Uncle Sam. I try not to get greedy, staying even is fine with me.
    Thats my story.
     
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  3. kaysirtap, Jan 17, 2012

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    I did not evade anything. You asked me if those were my last names, and I told you "no". You didn't ask about it again. Yes, I know a lot about casinos, and I am familiar with at least one of those names without having to look it up, but anybody with Google can figure out quickly who they are by using the keywords "Forte" or "Zender" and "casino". You know those names, SC... so maybe you get your paycheck from a "casino group"? By the way, what is it that you think someone would get paid for doing here?

    I'll take it as a compliment that my knowledge about casinos makes you think that I get my paycheck from one of them.

    And yes, I would like to know about dice control... but not specifically, meaning "only". I think everybody has seen that I enjoy discussing many different aspects of the game and casinos in general.
     
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  4. Southern-Comfort, Jan 17, 2012

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    [quote you liauthor="kaysirtap" date="1326861655"] SC... so maybe you get your paycheck from a "casino group"? By the way, what is it that you think someone would get paid for doing here?[/quote]
    I think it was SnakeEyes that several months ago pegged me as a Casino employee as well. I can understand it as I was dealing out a bit of obscure stuff about the workings of "game protection" at the time. But no, I do not, nor have I ever had a working association with any casino.

    [quote you liauthor="kaysirtap" date="1326861655"]I'll take it as a compliment that my knowledge about casinos makes you think that I get my paycheck from one of them.
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    Trying out that multi-quoting everybody on here seems to enjoy so much. :) Yep, you should take it as a compliment, because if you aren't "in bed" with them, then you're going the "know your enemy" route, and I can respect that.
     
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  5. kaysirtap, Jan 18, 2012

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    Well, I wouldn't say that I'm trying to get to know my "enemy"... of course, I do want to win money from the casino when I play, but I wouldn't call them my enemy. I also know that the casino wants my money, but so does every other business I am a patron of. Most other businesses offer me tangible goods, but casinos offer me their service of providing entertainment... and if I end up paying for that entertainment, I'm okay with that. But that's another topic entirely...

    I am fascinated by certain aspects of the casino business... so I want to know as much as possible about it... and I believe I have done a pretty good job of doing that. At the same time, I am also interested in consumer behavior. Combining the two is natural for me. In order to find out about consumer, or in this case, player behavior, I have to ask questions and/or observe them. Observing players can show me how they behave, but with so many variables out of my control, observation can't tell me why they behave that way.

    As a result, I ask questions. Sometimes these questions are tough... other times they touch on apparently sensitive subjects, and people don't want to answer them. Sometimes people can't answer my questions even if they want to. It happens. People's inability or unwillingness to answer some questions is just as interesting to me.
     
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  6. basicstrategy777, Jan 20, 2012

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    can anyone hazzard a guess why only 12 people responded to the poll.

    I thought there were 20,000 members here.

    Must be just the hard-core.

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  7. eagledice, Jan 20, 2012

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    Maybe they are just getting tired of all the bickering that seems to be common the last few months. The real reason we are all here is to learn and improve our game which is to increase our profits.

    Seems like lots of members forget about that. It could be a reason why the other 19,900 don't seem to be interested.

    Just my thoughts...........



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  8. Greatest 7 Shooter in the World, Jan 20, 2012

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    Kay,
    I am calling total Bullshit that you don't work for a casino because a while back you had a real defensive response to me yelling at dealers and casino staff and went on and on about how that was wrong and just because I feel they are icing me or trying to mess with my timing that did not give me reason to yell at them.

    Total shit man no one gives a rats ass if someone yells at a casino staff member other than someone who is working or has worked in that capacity before.

    If I were a mod on here I would run a IP tracker on your account and if it came up in a location near a casino........that would end this discussion once and for all.
     
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  9. $nakeEye$, Jan 20, 2012

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    As I can not - and will not - speak for others -

    I have not and will not respond to this poll -

    Personally, I feel that the essence of this " poll " is as useful as " mammaries on a bull " !

    Totally useless !

    P.S. -

    Regards, kaysirtap - and his affiliation with casinos - I do not believe he is -

    IIRC - he stated a month or so ago he was doing " thesis " work on " gambling " -

    And as a result - his questions and expected/elicited responses were related to his " gathering information " phase of his " thesis " work -

    One can readily check out the validity of this by simply checking all of his past posts - or mine for that matter -

    I believe that I personally inquired as to his motives - and was told the above -

    Be it true or not - I do not believe he is affiliated with any casino - I take a man at his word - unless proven otherwise !

    P.P.S. - And even if he were - what kind of " knowledge - useful information " is he going to glean from this site -

    Trust me ladies, and I use the term loosely, Not a fuck*ng thing !

    And you can take THAT to the bank !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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  10. bek423, Jan 21, 2012

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    Speak for yourself. I do in fact "give a rats ass" and am disgusted by rude behavior, whether it is directed toward a casino employee or anyone else.
     
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  11. kaysirtap, Jan 21, 2012

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    G7, I simply tried to tell you that you are not permitted to yell at anyone in a casino. I don't recall saying that you had no reason to yell at them, but I did try to show you that what you perceive as acts against you, may not be what they seem. I also gave you the example of when servers in a restaurant do something wrong, and asked if you also yell at them. Does that mean I also work in the food service industry? I don't know about you G7, but it bothers me when I see others being mistreated. If you want to go on yelling at people, I can't stop you. But many businesses - casinos included - will not tolerate this sort of behavior. Dealers are people too, you know.

    Regarding your IP address request... I'll tell you what... I'll ask Jacob if he will release some information about where my IP addresses have been located. I would not want him to divulge my specific IP addresses, but I'll ask him if he will at least verify the city and/or country from which I am usually located. I'll give you a heads-up in case you'd like to write me an apology: my IP addresses are from New York City and Poland. G7, as the title of this thread asks, "can you accept the possibility that you're wrong?" I'll PM Jacob to see if he'd be so kind as to confirm this information.

    But you realize, I hope, that many people (I'm sure many on this forum included) live near casinos and don't work for one. However... I don't happen to be one of these people (unless you count Empire City and Resorts World... neither of which has real table games).

    This is true, I wrote my thesis on the casino gaming industry - specifically table games, although slots, poker, sports/race book and keno were also included for context. However, while I may have joked about it once, I never used information gathered here for my thesis because much of the same information was already written in it. I believe the relevant quote is as follows, and I believe it is also the post $nakeEye$ was referring to:
    The truth is, I came across this forum because I had stumbled upon the Keno part of SmarterGamblers while reviewing the Keno section of my thesis, and clicked through to the Craps forum since it's my favorite game.

    If you don't think that I am a knowledgeable contributor to this forum, that's fine. Normally, I try to be as neutral as possible while I am writing, as to not offend anybody, but I also understand that some of you are so passionate about the game that my posts at times can seem like they are offensive to you. I'm sorry, for those of you who may feel this way.

    I do not feel comfortable having the details of my private life on the internet (even if nobody knows my real name, which is still not Zender or Forte, by the way). With the exception of one member through PM who openly discussed a personal detail, I do not ask that other people reveal their personal details (including what they do or don't do for a living) on this forum, so I would appreciate it if you all respected my privacy and didn't ask me about mine. I have agreed to tell you all a little about myself in this post to put some suspicions to rest, but please do not ask about it again. I do not wish to address this issue any further.
     
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  12. $nakeEye$, Jan 21, 2012

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    kaysirtap -

    Take this for what it is worth -

    Without you - this forum would be comparable to ( to be filled in later ) -

    The likes of us would have to contand with BS777- notice the brown coloring -

    As no one else sees fit to divulge their personal information - why is it that you feel obligated to be the first -

    Bull Shit to that -

    Although I , more oft than not , feel that your posts are somewhat " invasive " - " persistant " - " inquiring " -

    They are also " refreshing " , " challenging " and requires one to " think " or " ponder " the question prior to an off-the-cuff response -

    Your presence on this board/forum is most definitely welcome -

    Granted, your views might differ from time to time than the majority , but as was said for the 1st time just a few days ago -

    " Variety is the spice of life " -

    Beats me why someone didn't coin this phrase a long, long time ago !

    Anyhow, all bullsh*t aside - if you lurk in the shadows or decide to abandon this board - you will leave us with BS777 - and his " brown stuff in lieu of gray matter " -

    As this is a family program - one can not come outright and say " Sh*t for Brains " - can one ?

    Always a pleasure !

    $...eE..$
     
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  13. Jacob2, Jan 21, 2012

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    I have no clue why this is even being discussed in this thread, but as far as I can tell everything kaysirtap has shared is true...
     
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  14. $nakeEye$, Jan 21, 2012

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    Yeah, you know what -

    Although we may have our differences -

    I must also concur -

    I have no dispute with the validity of kaysirtap -

    I might dispute some/most/all of his beliefs/posts/ideas -

    But I have no doubt as to his integrity / honesty / candidness !
     
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  15. basicstrategy777, Jan 21, 2012

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    Holy Moly !!!

    We are wondering off the 'craps path' here.

    Who cares what somebody does for a living or where they live.

    The position someone takes on a subject is just as valid as your position. So what if you don't agree. Contrast is necessary and brings your position in sharp relief.......sameness is dull and not productive. Unless there is resistence to the oars the boat cannot go forward.

    It is good to have a position and back it up with your reasons for it. We all can learn from each other. Ultimatey, someone can back up their position so well that you will change your mind....or their reasoning will have definate flaws and will reinforce your thinking on the subject. What is bad is personal attacks on someone that disagrees with you.

    "Unexpected kindness is the most powerful, least costly and most underrated agent of human change. Kindness that catches us by surprize brings out the best in our natures."


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  16. pogostick, Jan 22, 2012

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  17. StatHaldol, Apr 22, 2012

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    I guess I'm in the category; "I don't know if it works, but I try it". I've watched as much info on YouTube as I could find and I've killed many hours practicing. My longest roll has been using the V3 set. Maybe it was just a lucky coincidence...I don't know.
     
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  18. DeMango, Apr 22, 2012

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    Hoover Dam, we are up to 17 votes!
     
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  19. Heavy

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    Funny how every time the subject of dice influencing comes up you end up with two Diametrically Opposed Groups (DOGS) bickering and name calling. Being on the 100% convinced and not changing my mind team (I have analyzed tens of thousands of my own rolls and the rolls of others through the years) I can tell you that I am 100% convinced Dice Influencing works. I've been teaching seminars on the subect since 2001. I've trained hundreds of students and seen many of them turn into semi-pro and pro players. I've also seen a lot of guys stumble and fall - not because they couldn't influence the dice - but because they didn't have the discipline to minimize their action on the randies - or the balls to bet their own advantage.

    Those who are members of the opposing group - the "dice influencing does not work and I will never be convinced otherwise group" - will accept no proof, regardless how convincing it may be. What's the point of discussing the point any further?

    As for respect/disrespect from other forum members - it's the Internet. Get used to it.
     
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  20. falcon, May 8, 2012

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    Heavy: Since you have acknowledged that you are a "teaching pro," could you tell me and the others: Is there a difference between dice "control" and dice "influencing"? If so, could you explain the difference in very simple terms?

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