Casino Crap Bosses reading... Forum Postings?

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  1. SevenOut, Oct 16, 2016

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    There was an earlier Thread that took the position that Casino Staff are prying into the mystery of Craps Action within active Forums and obviously some took it seriously. From some Threads... the thousands of imaginary chip winnings are not even a threat... it is the stink bait to get the believers into and onto a table. This is more in the money laundering division of the IRS, not the Casino Game Control.

    Why would anyone in the Casino Industry even give any discussion on a Forum any consideration... unless it was actually costing ... them money? The major Casinos should PAY Forums to become MORE ACTIVE. ...Even offering distinguished Player's Cards to those members to PLAY AT THEIR CASINO. Seems fair to me and a smart business decision.

    Casino pit bosses should be PAYING the Craps Forum to keep the myths going and going. It is fertilizer to the gaming industry... much like fertilizer to grow corn and sugar beets. There is nothing for the industry to fear from Dice Influencing, Dice Control, Biased Dice, System Players, Writers of Winning Craps books and looking like a Dummy afterwards, etc. and etc..

    This evening... my wife and I are going into Henderson or Las Vegas to just lay back and have a bite to eat. Other evenings the Craps Tables have been... dead, or quiet. No wonder why Thursday to Saturday's are the best table takes... from out of town players with money to burn on 'new ideas' that prove to provide 'same results'... to the majority.

    Computers can be programmed to beat Chess. Poker, maybe if sun glasses are provided.

    But Craps? The proof to the Casino is the cash and chip count being removed during shifts. A generous return of up to 100% is already enough for the Casino coffer. Who needs software to work those numbers but then, again... maybe something is needed to sell Advanced Players, needing some encouragement to re-juggle their game plans?

    Any Craps Player beats the penny slot brain dead Zombie in status and choice of game.

    All Craps Players WANT to find something that works... most of the time. Maybe just a big winning session to make up for all of the others that were not doing, as well.

    But... to think that anyone in the Industry is concerned that something new has occurred in the Craps Game that they need to control... is pure nonsense.

    As long as you are playing within the rules of the table... give it your best shot. The camera is there to protect the house from chip pinching and lousy dealers. How you play... is just pure entertainment on this Forum.
     
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  2. TDVegas, Oct 16, 2016

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    As far as I'm concerned..you're preaching to the choir.

    Good post....no, great post.
     
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  3. SevenOut, Oct 16, 2016

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    Some day... TDV it would be nice to socialize among other Clark County, Nevada craps players that have strong feelings in any direction. The more diverse, the better.

    No game play. Just discussing 'reality' and working over the Buffet options, not those options at a Craps Table.

    Someday. Car hobbyists go on and on with others of similar interests... but Craps Players, something is not connecting. Craps Dealers... connect very well and even play, knowing what they know.

    Craps Players... it just does not seem to work.

    Just from this Forum we ALL have taken minute slices of DI, DC and Biased Dice onto the operating table. Dissected the details and connected the Craps DNA to create options to standard mathematical proofs... that need 'infinity' to work out. We operate in 'real time' which are counted in minutes and with luck, an hour at most exposure at the Craps table's odds.

    Just give ANY of us a full HOUR of one shooter making passes... just once, at least in our life time to understand the power behind a working aggressive System and forget the mumbo jumbo debates of issues that are not even issues.

    Only a Fool would ignore the exchange of ideas as helpful to ALL interested in Craps. If I had found the game that would beat the Casino... I would not be wasting any time on this Forum, but resting for the next table to work over and check them off my list, one at a time. Not bitching on the Forum about nonsense.
     
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  4. Liman

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    100% on ofcourse, Ive posted in the past I think some casinos actually take part forming gambling forums to stir up interest, promoting things like DI schools, giving instructors free rooms, comps, anything to keep them active and funneling in patrons.

    and Ive posted at least 50 times, why I don't think casinos care about di, but actually welcome it, only because I look at casinos and the money it takes to build and maintain them, they welcome system bettors, di shooters, anyone who has a system, they welcome them with open arms.

    heat, I love the DI shooters always talking heat, like you said, play according to the rules, they love you.
     
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  5. KokomoJoe4, Oct 16, 2016

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    This is a fact. Get ahead and bet the winnings heavily to turn small into large. One huge winner will make up for many losers.

    Just because our shooter is making passes does not mean that a place bettor, come bettor or a middle of the table bettor is also not cleaning up.

    Winning big requires betting big, and this is always better done with progressive betting - that is what aggressive means.

    It will not matter in the least as to the style and mannerisms of the successful shooter, as long as (s)he is rolling our numbers.
     
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  6. superrick, Oct 16, 2016

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    Well, guys after spending time in the eye in the sky rooms and talking to the different operators I can tell you one thing for sure, the casinos do read these boards and they make stupid players that say they are going to meet a card counter that is going to be at a BJ table at let's say 1 pm and will be wearing a red baseball cap.

    I also had a buddy that worked the eye in the sky that said the same thing!
     
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  7. $nakeEye$, Oct 16, 2016

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    1984 was like what - almost 50 years ago - actually only 30 + - but who's counting !

    Not only do the " walls have ears " - they also have " eyes in the sky " !

    That was WHY I instructed our group to STOP posting on the forums and establish a Private Email Group !

    THAT was quite a few years ago !

    Yet, on some boards they have designated " hook-up " topics dedicated to solely having members announce their plans ! :rolleyes:

    $...eE..$
     
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  8. Onautopilot, Oct 16, 2016

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    O.K., if any casino bosses are reading this forum, I am not a DI......all I want is a comped room and a couple meals, and I'll come play.

    PM me for mailing address.

    Thanks in advance.
     
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    next time I go to a casino, Ill experiment,

    Ill post up Im going in to which casino at which time, wearing whatever, and intend on sliding the dice, lets see if Im stopped as soon as I walk over to a table.
    my guess is no.
     
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  10. $nakeEye$, Oct 16, 2016

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    You are correct -

    However, see what transpires the 1st time that you try and " slide " them puppies down the table ! :eek:

    Whether you have that famous Hawaiian shirt on or not ! o_O

    $...eE..$
     
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  11. Southern-Comfort, Oct 17, 2016

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    Somewhere, awhile back, cannont remember where.... I read that most craps dealers also play the game when not on duty. in casinos they don't work at of course. Hard to be around craps all the time and not get into it. Pit bosses tend to rise from the ranks of dealers, the good dealers, the observant dealers, the kind that get into it.
    So whats the big deal about bosses reading the forums? its natural if they are interested in the game. Before I retied, I used to read all I could about things affecting my niche of employment too.
    Are bosses reading forums spying? Is it nefarious? No, no. Bosses are people. Bosses play craps. I bet some set the dice. I bet some try to toss better. I bet they have the same experience everybody else does. Experience is the best teacher afterall. I won't argue the merits of DI, you old timers already know my stance. But I will say this, if DI is real, its affects are not as advertised. You can influence, but you cannot control. You might improve your SRR a few digits, but no DI will ever throw two hours. That's in the realm of the chicken feeders, so why should they worry more about people maybe getting a few tosses better than break even than about a table full of random rollers feeding off one that hits the jackpot now and then.
     
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  12. SevenOut, Oct 17, 2016

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    I can assure you that no one will be counting cards at any Craps Table.
     
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  13. SevenOut, Oct 17, 2016

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    *******

    I was called out by the Boxman at a Kansas City Riverboat for pitching a pair of dice at a 'too high of an arc' and it was intimidating the players on the other end.

    At the Sandia Casino north of Albuquerque, NM, I picked up the dice being pushed to me by the stickman. I picked them up and somehow distracted... fumbled the shot that did not even make it pass the stickman. There was a bit of 'what the F$%K'... yet it was called as it was fumbled... Seven Out. (No doubt a 'no roll shot' but then... who is in charge?)
     
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  14. SevenOut, Oct 17, 2016

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    'Common Sense ', obviously is a rare commodity among gamblers, believing some player's action at a Craps Table at a Casino causes worry among the 'Suits' over looking their table games.

    1- Three Dealers, usually a Boxman when busy, and a Pit Boss keeping a close eye on the Craps Pit's Bank. Chips going OUT of the Bank is usually.... not normal to a table.

    2- A 'buy in' of a large amount of chips OR chips carried to the table and being used gets immediate attention. Some of you may hear a Boxman announce the amount of cash buying in, from time to time, alerting the Pit.

    3- ANY... one playing large bets compared to other players and actually WINNING will always bring the attention by anyone watching the Casino's Bank.

    4- Dealers are instructed to deal with 'prick players' no different from those players that are hometown regulars. The Boxman and Pit Staff handle the pricks at the table, and there are many to be found during a busy evening. If the big 'P' player is losing, all is well. If the big 'P' player is winning, they are encouraged to keep playing until they are losing.

    5- A busy Craps Table bring the Craps 'Cowards' from hiding when a table is... empty. Come one, Come all. Table action in the Craps Pit is always encouraged and always... good. Winning or not.

    6- Casino Security is always happy to show you or anyone to the door... this is Private Property, not a National Park.

    A Cow Pie or a Pie in the Sky is to watch for cheating players and cheating dealers, not the fabled Dice Influencers of Craps Lore. Craps Tables WANT the action of the High Rollers and the DI. Keep the Craps Pit busy and let the Dice do what they are most likely to do... make Losers out of Players.

    A proficient DI will not be playing $3 wagers without odds. An unknown player shows up making large wagers IS noticed and will be watched as soon as wagers begin. This unknown player and possible accomplices making wagers or shooting outcomes out of the normal expectations... are closely watched.

    IF the group is losing, not an issue. IF the group is winning... Hit the Wall with one or more dice or each will result in a No Roll. Unposted rules must also be followed by Casino... 'guests'. This is not a petting Zoo and having to treat the wildlife with respect and dignity.

    I have read NO DEALER MANUAL, nor at Craps School any instructor concerned with dice manipulation. None. They actually would encourage more such action. Just 'Play by their Rules' or your ASS is invited to leave the Casino if you do not comply.

    This is so absurd believing that Casino Security is watching for DI's is like having the Ghost Busters come to your home.

    But then again... it makes some of us feel special.
     
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  15. $nakeEye$, Oct 17, 2016

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    Security is NOT watching for DI's at the Craps tables - they're too ocupied trying to catch Card Counters at the Black Jack tables !

    THAT is where the casino can take a hit on a consistent basis !

    $...eE..$
     
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  16. SevenOut, Oct 17, 2016

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    Yes... I know. I am on top of that.

    This is a Craps Forum and superrick brought up Card Counting in Post #6. I was just adding some shine to superrick's statement in the event some new players were getting confused.

    The quote you used of mine was getting back to an earlier Thread involving Craps.

    89122.... need to get the 89*** zip crowd together some day.
     
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  17. Liman

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    it seems to me whenever I buy in for 1000 and when asked for a players card, and say no, don't have it with me, and the pit asks if Id like one, I say, nah, its ok, why do them seem pissed off, always makes me want to laugh, like they gotta know who I am, but playing just once in a casino, its not like Im going to get anything from them within the hour, so.........who cares.
     
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  18. $nakeEye$, Oct 17, 2016

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    Generally, any buy-in amount of $500+ gets the attention of the pit personnel -

    They realize with that amount of a buy-in you are serious minded player - regardless of your proficiency - and they WANT to KNOW who you are - so they can track your action !

    Also, they are somewhat , say , apprehensive regards your ability - and if you win or lose - THEY - the casino - will kiss your ass to get you to return to their establishment !

    Buy-in amounts of $500 + and usually NOT the norm at the lower limit tables -

    And a buy in of $1K - will get the houses' attention for the reasons mentioned above -

    MOST times it would be to your benefit to play their silly little game of letting them know who you are -

    In that manner they will send you offers to entice you to return to their joint !

    I would not be concerned about it - they are just doing their job - trying to get repeat business from real players !

    $...eE..$
     
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  19. tabletop123, Oct 17, 2016

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    Whenever the pit questions my identity, I simply tell them to look me up in the loser's column, & I'll be the third one from the "Top"! Lol
     
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  20. TDVegas, Oct 17, 2016

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    LOL...classic.
     
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