Casinos won't cheat you, yeah right!

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  1. superrick, Jan 5, 2017

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    I love to hear that casinos would not cheat or do anything to craps players that are shooting to stop them from winning! Some of the guys will say the casinos are squeaky clean and they don't hassle shooters when they have the dice and shooting!

    That's because they don't play craps enough or they don't play real craps, no they play bubble craps for a $1 and they want everybody to think they know everything about the game of craps! Now, I'm not throwing everybody into what I'm writing that plays bubble craps because there are some that play to win when playing the game and they are not playing for the fun of it!

    These guys will tell everybody that the two games are the same thing and make bold statements like they have 30 years in the casino business!
    Too bad, they can't back up that statement with anything at all. No, when writing something like that they are only making an ANECDOTAL CLAIM. I hear guys making a statements like that all of the time when playing craps or they were a dealer and when pressed for where and when they can't back it up with anything that would hold true.

    I can find many articles about corporations cheating and way too many articles of individuals cheating in way too many things in everyday life.
    Only fools don't look for someone cheating them in any game we play!

    Now, I'm not one of those fools and every time I go to the craps tables I look for things that they are doing to the different shooters! If you were a big loser the pit guys will never say one thing and they will treat you like your something special, they will shower you with comps to get you to keep coming back! I see that happening all of the time with some of these guys that don't know how to play the game and they have money that they can burn, though!

    So, here is a quick question for all of you guys that play real craps do you get treated differently when you are just getting lucky and you're on a roll or have you saw the casinos treating the shooter differently when they are on a roll?

    Here is something to think about before you answer my questions!


    http://lasvegassun.com/news/2017/ja...pular&utm_medium=banner&utm_campaign=mostRead


    https://consumerist.com/2017/01/04/...nd-for-buying-losing-tickets-to-rigged-games/
     
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  2. Onautopilot, Jan 5, 2017

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    My experience in 50 years of craps play in Vegas, is that I was treated like a valued customer when losing, and treated like royalty when winning!

    Personally, I have never been given any so called heat when winning, just the opposite.

    In all those years, the only "heat" I saw was toward players that deserved it......loud, obnoxious, drunk, vulgar, refusing to follow the rules, or disrespectful to the crew.

    But this does not mean that someone that was practicing DI might get some heat if the box, or bosses suspected they might indeed have some skill. I have not personally seen that though, and I have seen people that appeared to be attempting DI, both winning and losing.
     
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  3. TDVegas, Jan 5, 2017

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    Crew superstition is not "cheating". These delusional thoughts that the dice being sent over to you with the 7 up are ways the "casino cheats you"....are simply delusions. There is likely some paranoia from players going on as well...especially if they 7 out. Look for excuses.

    In a random game...these incidents do not matter to outcomes. They could just as easily be helping the player win more. There is no cheating. people let their minds run wild. Now suspicion of advantage Craps player? well, at this point no casino is on record even acknowledging they exist.

    Other delusions...
    The "cooler" cocktail waitress is sent over to distract you...
    The dealer wants you to lose. Well, maybe if you are a jerk to them.

    Some look for any excuse why they are losing. Some have 6 pages worth of excuses. None of those excuses is ever **gambling at a negative expectation game.**

    Go figure.

    The California Casino craps table dumped 1 million over the course of 1 guys roll...what did they do? Nothing. "You're on a good roll, sir" was their reaction.

    Maybe if these "I'm being cheated" people avoid Jimmy's Fleabag Casino on Boulder Highway and instead hit Red Rock Casino...they might see how first rate casinos are run. They don't "cheat" inexperienced $5 gamblers playing ATS bets.
     
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    I don't get what rigging a lottery by some
    Criminal employee has to do
    With casinos intentionally looking to cheat a craps player


    Imagine the results if a casino was caught intentionally using rigged dice
    They would have to pay out billions of dollars to every player who said they played their and lost
    Rigging a craps game is illegal
    They make enough money off the di shooters they have no reason to cheat
    I don't get the purpose of comparing this stuff
    People cheat everyday has nothing to do with rigged craps tables
     
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    I agree. This is taking one extreme and applying it universally to all. Much like one mechanic who runs a shady business....means all mechanics run a shady business? One bad accountant means they are all bad? One bad elevator repairman means they are all bad?

    This thinking means it can be applied to all jobs or businesses.

    There will always be those scheming to rip off people....not sure what a computer tech rigging a lottery ticket number has to do with a casino running a craps game.
     
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    They are actually better examples of players trying to cheat the system.
     
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    and if a casino wanted to really, make big big big big money, all theyd have to do is lower the slot machine payouts by 1/2 percent, theyd make 10 times more than having to cheat at a craps table.

    theres no correlation between people who rig a lottery and a casino trying to cheat at a table.
    Im sure casino corporate has enough ways to cheat, like not pay all the taxes, give one bar of soap in a room and hope most don't complain, give cheaper toilet paper.
    figure that, a place like venetian/palazzo with 2500 rooms, and 100s of public restrooms, buy cheaper toilet paper, the kind that scratches your ass, the sand paper type, imagine how much money they could make by cheating us out of good toilet paper. 3 thousand rolls daily. on that alone they can cheat and make 600 bucks a day. cheaper soap, another 300 bucks a day.
    water the drinks down a bit more, TONS of money to be made there, and lets not forget, 3.50 for a coffee, if that isn't cheating, I don't know what is.
    Serve lesser quality food, theres no end to how casinos can cheat the public out of money, services, quality
    problem is, eventually people catch on or read enough about it the casino folds.
    gone, zip, out of business.
    Casinos don't have to cheat intentionally, THEY HAVE THE KEY TO THE VAULT, all they need is proper management and they can pick money off the money tree all day long. Why do you think they would jeopardize that?
     
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    shit, lower the payouts 1 percent on video poker think of how much money theyd cheat autopilot out of each year.
     
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    In every business there are cheats, I don't know of any that are pure, but they are the minority!

    Has a casino ever cheated? Certainly! And in my opinion, they were in the minority.

    Should a gambler be aware, and observant? Certainly!

    If someone suspects cheating is widespread in the gaming industry, and they still gamble, They are not very bright!

    Of course one might say anyone that gambles at a negative expectation game isn't very bright. Unless of course, they are just gambling for the enjoyment, and the off chance they will win a little. :)
     
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  10. TDVegas, Jan 5, 2017

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    Actually MGM is in the process of doing just that. They have a new program trying to consolidate all their buying---from everything to chairs to towels, sheets, carpet, toilet paper etc. thru one single supplier/source instead of each property having their own source.

    They have an entire program to cutting costs now. This is how they increase their profits...not thru cheating the player where they could face not only fines, loss of license...but jail time.

    Or, as you say...increase the take on slots by 0.5%
     
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    this is only because most craps players are miserable, and they always look for anything to blame for their bad luck.
    if a dealer burps, and they 7 out, its the dealers fault.

    Ive seen 100 times if not 1000 times. I even see it on the bubble!
    no matter how many fucking times the dice rolls strange and rolls around and lands on a big favorite, the one or two times it hits the 7 out, people scream that the machine is rigged.they curse, they blame everything on earth for their misfortune at gaming. they just don't get it.
    Its 100 times for prevalent at the live tables, where anything sets off a miserable player.
    another player, new stickman, new dealer, new pit boss, pit boss checking dice, dealer knocking a stack of chips over, whatever, if someone thinks this is cheating in any way or form, they really need to rethink their gaming preferences Actually they should avoid gaming altogether and go fishing or bowling.

    so where these people who feel casinos cheat are playing?
    My 40 years experience, yes, I know for many my opinion means shit, but Ive never felt cheated, felt like some staff was unpleasant or uncooperative, but never cheated.
    My stepfather gambled since the Korean war, he gambled in 10 different countries, he never once ever told me he felt cheated.
    My friends gamble all the time in atlantic city, foxwoods, Mohegan sun both in Pocono and conneticut, they never felt cheated in 50 years.

    is it really cheating, or just paranoia and frustration?
     
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    They have already done that on the majority of VP machines, almost can not find the 99%+ ones anymore.

    But it is raining again here in SOCAL, and it's 5X points again.....15 minutes to the casino!

    P.S.. I had a really good run again last night.....$300 bankroll, left with $1,200, and if I had of left a bit earlier, it would have been even better! :)
     
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    the buying power a casino would have is incredible.

    I once tried to open an account with toybiz, many moons ago, they laughed at me.
    I offered them a 50 thousand opening order, COD, they laughed at me.
    I upped the offer to a 100 thousand purchase, she told me they only ship by container full and that starts at around 350 thousand each.

    for walmart and toysrus that's nothing.

    when you got the buying power and the money, you can save a fortune

    if I was in charge of purchasing, Id nickel and dime every distributor or manufacturer to pay my salary 20 times over.
     
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    you know if you ever come out east, we have to hook up just so you can show me how to pick out and play a vp machine.
     
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    Cmon OAP, LTWOQ.

    Not Learn To Enjoy Gambling or LTEG.

    Just in case you're asleep James?
     
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    Yep...and that is exactly what they are doing. Massive new program to consolidate buying power. Murren isn't a gambler....he's looking for ways outside of "cheating" (LOL) to increase the bottom line. Instead of 15 casinos with individual buying power...it's now 1.
     
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    That would be my pleasure, and for sure we would have to do that. My sister lives in Jersey, so it is a real possibility!
     
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    yep, they go from B pricing(because of all the different places making orders) to A pricing. mucho dinero to be made.
     
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    I can hop down to AC with a few days notice. or if youre in northern jersey, over to poconos or bethlehem
     
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    Another thread looking for relevance and of course attention.Can we say " useless"
     
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