Chaos Controlled Betting System

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  1. john sherman, May 4, 2018

    john sherman

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    Has anyone tried Martin Silverthorne's Chaos Controlled Betting System (aka - Super Neural Strategy)?

    I have played about 10 simulated games and am ahead overall. I was curious if anyone has tried it in a live casino environment?

    Thanks,

    John
     
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  2. tabletop123, May 4, 2018

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    Yeah...it worked, & then ....it didn't!
     
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  3. The Comeback Kid, May 4, 2018

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    I've never tried it. I think Autopilot has something he uses that might be similar. Not sure.
    I think streaks are gonna kill you on this one.
    Heavy talks about it here:
    http://axispowercraps.com/crapsforum/viewtopic.php?t=587
    Best of luck to you.
     
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  4. Freddyy, May 4, 2018

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    I have a few strats proven on a RNG, but casino variance has a lot more parameters, first of all it’s never the same shooter, the luck ratio of everyone around affects the game. Disturbance, misthrows, ...everything work against you in a casino, even the table is rarely leveled right. Which means you start with 2 strikes... you can’t base a strategy on forecast of a future change in a casino. Nothing is ever due, every roll has the same chance of keeping the streak going or not.

    All you can do it ride the bad streak losing the least you can, and ride the good ones holding the most you can.
     
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  5. john sherman, May 4, 2018

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    Thanks for the input. I do not have much faith in the so-called ''guaranteed way to win'' methods, but simulations are free. I may keep on running them and see what happens.

    John
     
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    Superneural eh?

    This implies the strategy utilizes neurons but not neuroglia.

    Does the gentleman charge for expertise with the description and application of this system, or is it gratis?
     
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  7. SevenOut, May 4, 2018

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    I had a dozen or more video poker and electronic slot machines for sale in our shop, at any time.

    I could play every strategy. I could attempt to vary how I wager. I could lose, pull coins out of the hopper and run them through again.

    My point... when someone is playing a Video Game or their used Casino Video Poker or Slot Machine... you do not gain any insight as to the machines or table games will play out at a Casino. It is all a false sense of believing that 'practice makes perfect'.

    At home or in our Shop, players would play the maximum wagers on playing for home entertainment. No financial risk to play... big. No doubt, when at the Casino they played the less, much less and for less time.

    Once a electronic slot machine or video poker was purchased and taken home, the interest in playing dropped considerably. The home equipment, older models or newer, took your money and you needed to pull change out of the locked machines.

    Testing a Craps System on a computer simulated RNG or whatever, is never a way to understand how a System may preform. When using 'Real Money at Risk' you will most likely change your play. Reality dampens the enthusiasm.

    Testing a Craps System can be done using a Dice Cup or tossing the dice against a carpet. This is better than RNG computer action. Buy the $9.95 Craps layout. Use cents, nickels and quarters as chips. Play your System and do not alter how you play at home, versus at the Casino.

    There will be a very close relationship between Play at Home and Pay at a Casino.

    One thing you can depend upon is that Home and Casino dice outcomes are as random and unexpected, either way. Dice Cups are 100% random outcomes. Unless you cheat at home... which is unlikely.

    A lazy shooter will write down outcomes and try to make sense of them, and vary their System of Play. My advice is stay at home and watch a movie on the television. If Craps System wagering and Dice outcomes were predictable... we would all be at the Casino and wondering what to do with all the Cash.

    Perfect a System that mirrors your Bankroll and level of Risk Tolerance. Test it at home and record your results. A consistent win to loss ratio will be closer using a solid, balanced System. By the time you have exhausted all your options... you will then understand and actually be a Competent Craps Player.

    At least when you lose or win, you will understand WHY. The majority blame the Dice, the Craps Table crew, the cloth... One thing that is critical... the Timing. Purely accidental. You showed up at the right or wrong time to play your System. You could write that book in ten seconds. Timing... is the variance, the dice influencing, the System tied up in one package.

    If you lost today. Your timing to step up and play at the table was poorly executed. Better... 'TIMING' next time.
     
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  8. von duck, May 4, 2018

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    Thank you seven out, now, can you direct me to where the bridge is, that I'm supposed to jump off of. Bite mspee :)
     
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  9. john sherman, May 4, 2018

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    That sounds like good advice. Any place in particular to get a craps layout?
    Thru friends, I have acquired a large number of Martin Silverthorne's books. What is the general thought on their merit? All of the books were passed on to me with no cost - I am not sure if the books would be worth paying for.
    Are there any books out there that actually have any merit?
    Planning a trip to Vegas in August so I am working on various betting methods.
    Thanks,
    John
     
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  11. Onautopilot, May 4, 2018

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    The value of a book is mainly what ever the reader believes they gained from reading them.

    As for books that "sell" a system for beating craps, I have no faith in those. Besides, you can get most of that information for free if you look around the internet.

    I have read books that explain different probabilities using various betting schemes....they don't profess to "beating" the game, but rather address the probabilities of being ahead or behind with certain strategies. A good simulation program can give you the same information.

    Have fun on your trip, and good luck!
     
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  12. von duck, May 5, 2018

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    August? :) The weather should be "nice" then.:D
     
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  13. SevenOut, May 5, 2018

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    Scarne on Dice and Scarne's New Complete Guide to Gambling, both by John Scarne. www.abebooks.com

    Any book that claims to Beat the Craps Table... is an opinion, not fact. These two books by Scarne tell it as it is, if you agree or not, they are facts.

    There is no System that can beat the Craps Table. There are some Systems that minimize your exposure to short rolls, but maximize your exposure to long rolls. Go to Advanced and find the numerous System options.

    Anyone who claims to leave as a winner, frequently... is suspect.

    Google for companies that sell the small Craps Layout. For a Dice Cup, any pair of dice will do, but using a pair of used .750" Casino Dice may make you feel that you are getting an accurate range of outcomes expected.

    Before you cross over the line into Dice Setting, Dice Influencing, Dice Control... you need to understand Craps and Odds. Understand the Dice Pyramid of possible outcomes. The majority of new players and many playing at a table at this moment will not know what you are talking about.

    Once you understand everything there is to know about Craps... you still are on your own. Dice have no memory. Dice do not prefer one side up over another. Dice do not prefer one kind of shooter over another. Dice do not prefer individual outcomes over more or less difficult outcomes. Do the Math.

    If you do not understand these concepts. You need to read both of the Scarne's books about Craps. Anyone selling you a class to 'win', will not be selling either of these books I recommend. Not because they provide no insight into Craps, but because it would give you too much knowledge to use against those who want to sell you their 'opinion'.
     
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  14. DeMango, May 5, 2018

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    He could go to Mesa, no?
     
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  15. James Hall, May 5, 2018

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    No don't send him to Mesa are you reading their posts
    they are telling him not to get too much information apparently
    they think too much information is bad
    It wouldn't be good if someone started thinking they can win
    People who can win , "ARE SUSPECT"
    Yeah the consensus of opinion on this forum
    seems to be if you can't get stuff free it's worthless
    'You have to be careful what you learn , you might learn to win then you would get , "SUSPECT"

    Get all the information you can decide what you can use and discard the rest
     
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