Come Bet question

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  1. DrJeffDC, May 8, 2018

    DrJeffDC

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    Heading to Vegas soon. Hopefully I can get this answered before I head out.
    I’m a conservative bettor, generally preferring the $5 minimum tables. I know the Pass Line/Come Bet is the best on the Right side as far as HA. My question is: would it be wiser to play Pass Line / 1 Come bet with double odds on both, or Pass Line / 2 Come bets all with single odds?
    I know they both work out to approximately $30 each, and that the HA is lower with double odds, but I was wondering if there was an advantage to having more numbers working while keeping the bankroll management at the same level.
    Thank you to all for any advice.
     
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  2. von duck, May 8, 2018

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  3. Onautopilot, May 8, 2018

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    There is really not enough mathematical difference in those three scenarios to choose one over the other.

    But, there is a difference depending on how you play the winning / losing decisions......increasing odds on winners, etc.

    I wouldn't have a problem alternating the bets as I watched the results unfold....add a come bet to the pass line bet when you win, or increase the odds a unit.

    They are all low HA strategies, with just a bit of volatility thrown in, depending on the amount of odds you elect to take.

    Good luck.....with these strategies you don't need much to bring a little cash home with you, maybe even more than you started with. :)
     
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  4. Mssthis1, May 8, 2018

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    What Onautopilot said.
     
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  5. basicstrategy777, May 8, 2018

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    Don't be in a hurry to make money......if it was me I would have more numbers covered with less odds....if you catch a long hand you're set as you will be increasing odds as the hand developes..

    When you hot...you HOT



    777
     
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  6. Chip Magnet, May 8, 2018

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    Craps is a negative expectation game. The more bets you make, the more you are expected to lose. There is no advantage to having more numbers working.

    Odds do not add a cent to your expected winnings, or improve your chances of winning. They only offer a way to bet more without increasing the amount you are expected to lose. They also make the game much more volatile.

    Since you are a conservative bettor, consider a single Don’t Pass bet with single odds instead of a single Pl bet with double odds.

    A DP bet with single odds has a house edge of .68%. A PL bet with double odds has a H.E. of 0.61%.

    With a DP bet on the six and eight, you would be risking 40% less odds for nearly the same house edge as a PL bet with 2X odds. You are also be favored to win any DP bet behind a number.

    $5 DP on 6, lay $6 single odds = $11 total bet. H.E. is 0.68%

    $5 Pl on 6, take $10 double odds = $15 total bet. H.E is 0.61%

    $5 DP on 6, lay $12 double odds = $17 total bet. H.E. = 0.45%


    Word of advice. Never lay odds on the 4 or the 10. Ever.
     
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  7. basicstrategy777, May 9, 2018

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    If house advantage is your god, make bets with the lowest house advantage....that way you will die the death of 1000 cuts.

    The more numbers you cover the more money you can win....that is the advantage of covering more numbers.....there is always 2 sides to a story. Having said that, it is best to start with few numbers and work up to more numbers....if the hand is short, you won't get hurt as bad.

    To put a sharp pencil between .68% and .61% is silly, if you ask me, and really, how much of a difference is it dollar wise.....

    These math types really make me laugh, espercially when they talk about fractions of 1 %....

    OP, either way you play, as you described, will work just fine.....you just need a little luck.

    Just enjoy yourself....use 15% of your buy in on center table bets ( screw the HA).....if you have a hunch bet a bunch.....don't be afraid to increase your bets if winning.

    Listen to the voices and throw the math book away.

    777

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  8. KokomoJoe4, May 9, 2018

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    You won't find a $5 table on the strip, but they will be plentiful at other nearby locations. Good Luck.

    According to some experts on this site, what you need to do is bet numbers that are showing.;)
     
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  9. The Midnight Skulker, May 9, 2018

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    House advantage is almost universally used to compare bets and strategies to other bets and strategies, but the catch is that it is a long-term parameter. It is the percentage of all of the bets you make that the house expects to win from you. Strictly from that perspective (to give the house as little of your stake as possible) PL+1C w/2x is the "better" strategy as it exposes only two units (the flat bets) to the 1.41% HA.

    Since you are expected to lose, you must experience positive variance (aka good luck) to defeat the HA. As Chip Magnet noted, odds, with their 0% HA, increase variance without increasing expected loss, which increases your chance of coming out ahead. Unfortunately, variance is a double-edged sword: it can also increase your chance of losing more than you are "expected" to, which in turn increases your chance of busting out before the variance pendulum swings back to what is expected.

    Having more numbers working while keeping the bankroll management at the same level shrinks variance, which tightens "The Shape of Possible Futures" around your expected loss. So, what is more important to you: profit or playing time? Only you know the answer.
     
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  10. random_roller, May 9, 2018

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    I think it's important to know the house edge -- and correct bet amount/payoff -- on any bet a player is considering. However, making bets based solely upon low house edge is too boring for me (YMMV). IMHO, a bettor should have a blend of bets -- low house edge bets augmented by a few long(er) shot bets. Kind of like investing in a mutual fund that has 85% S&P 500 stocks and 15% pink sheet holdings. A few of those long shots will (hopefully) deliver a return that will be significantly higher than the blue chip holdings though most will likely fall by the wayside. At the craps table, I'll bet $5 across (more when I'm the shooter) on the All Tall Small bets even though at my local casino there is a 7%+ house edge (much higher in Las Vegas, as the pay table is lower). Of course, one needs to have a sufficient bankroll to accommodate the level & types of betting...

    In the end, if you're at the craps table at the right time, you can almost do no wrong. Conversely, if you're there at the wrong time, you're likely SOL. Good luck at the tables.
     
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  11. James Hall, May 9, 2018

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    Great advice
     
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    I'm gonna "report" this post, pure plagiarism. :)
     
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  13. James Hall, May 9, 2018

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    LMAO :D:D
     
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