Conservative bets help please.

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  1. Dirtbag, Jul 15, 2016

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    Ok guys im headed to the casino and will be there in about 5 hours. I usually have good rolls so I put 52 across with my place bet on the pass and depending on if it's a 410 6 or 8 or whatever determines how much odds are put on it. I usually have decent luck with it but I don't want to get burnt early if my arm isn't warmed up. Are there any good strategies that work for y'all while y'all are shooting. Most of the strategies on here are for when others are shooting. Any help would be nice thanks guys
     
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  2. James Hall, Jul 15, 2016

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    The question that always comes to my mind is
    Why would a skilled shooter ever chance betting on other players ??
    Generaly speaking when a skilled shooter is on the table , he will be the only one .
    he will throw the dice , make a particular amount of money
    then while waiting for the dice to return to him , betting on the chunkers / random shooters will lose part or all of it back
    Never understood that particular bit of logic so I don't do it
    When my roll is over I move on
    I WILL NOT BET ON OTHER PLAYERS
    unless they are part of our group
     
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  3. lone irish digit, Jul 15, 2016

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    James you sure sound a lot like MP with your betting strategies. Are you related to him and if so how is he doing?
     
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  4. The Comeback Kid, Jul 15, 2016

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    DB, sounds to me like you're doing pretty good.
    If it ain't brokee; why fixee?

    However, because of the above statement, you seem like most, more action/reaction, than energy/flow oriented. You think the success you seek is in your "arm".

    When you reach the point where it doesn't work anymore, let us know.
    Because, even if the wisest among us could fashion the perfect advice, such as:

    The stronger the momentum of non-contradictory
    energy, the more certain the probability.

    ...if you're nowhere near it - you won't hear it.
    That's my 2 cents.

    But, know this, right now you're doing better than most of the "experts" on this forum. Start slow & let it build.
    Best of luck to ya.
     
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  5. HornHiYo, Jul 15, 2016

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    Ha. And what pray tell is a "skilled" shooter? Let me guess; someone who blindly followed someone else's advice?
    It has never been proven that once the dice hit table they remain under a shooters influence just because the shooter is setting and throwing based on an opinion.
    Same applies to betting in a negative expectation game. There are more opinions to choose from than there are bets. All of them will catch a lucky game from time to time.
    It's never been proven that any betting opinion can produce a steady, reliable income.
     
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  6. James Hall, Jul 15, 2016

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    It is not surprising that you don't know a skilled shooter is , some people stumble their way thru life never learning anything
    never seeing anything , they can be on a table with a skilled shooter watch him in action 20 or 30 minutes
    hitting numbers making points stacking chips and then the hack describes the event
    LUCK , VARIANCE , HOT TABLE none of these things exist
    some people MAKE THINGS HAPPEN , the random hacks cruise tables looking , watching and waiting for things to happen
    sucking up the money that skill provides , then minimizing the event
    no appreciation just leach off those who provide
    Welfare
    but don't learn anything stay the way you are , those of us WHO DO WIN
    need you folks who lose to keep those casinos flush so they have the cash when we need it
    One thing about you guys you are full of opinions so foolishly flawed but opinions none the less
    We have facts , We win you won't learn so you are simply relegated to not but wish
    A FOOLS PARADISE
     
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  7. James Hall, Jul 15, 2016

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    I don't know who that is but if he sounds like me I can only surmise that he is intelligent enough to have been trained
    If you see him on a table you should get on there with him if you have to knock someone down to do so
    He sounds like he must be good at the craps
     
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  8. Dirtbag, Jul 15, 2016

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    Thanks fellas
     
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  9. HornHiYo, Jul 15, 2016

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    James,
    Awe that ain't nuttin! The things you talk about can be done by anyone. Anyone who plays can do those very things.
    But you deserve credit for reciting the bs so well. Maybe the butt brothers will give you a gold star for your forehead. Ooh you're so good!
     
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  10. James Hall, Jul 15, 2016

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    for some time now I thought you were an unbeliever
    I'm beginning to believe , you believe you just can't seem to get the hang of it
    there are two options available to you
    you really should seize one or the other
     
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  11. $nakeEye$, Jul 15, 2016

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    Although he has never been " seen " actually playing in casinos -

    Now - talk about being able to " Fly Under the Radar " ;) -

    And aside from being the focus of SuperRick - in Rick's incessant search to seek out the " truth " -

    The Mad Professor is the author of an extensive volume of numerous topics on the ins and outs of playing craps -

    In addition to being the author of " The Mad Professor's Shooting Bible " by ' Tino Gambino ' !

    I would venture a ' Google ' search of " Mad Professor craps archives " would open up a world of insider information re: craps !

    $...eE..$
     
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  12. HornHiYo, Jul 15, 2016

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    James, what say you set aside your keyboard for awhile and come to Las Vegas to see what real craps is all about. They have a paddle there with your name on it and they are just waiting to spank your crusty old ass.
     
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  13. James Hall, Jul 15, 2016

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    for over 50 years they have had every opportunity to do just that
    They are unable to do that
    you people read the posts , you don't understand a damn thing I say
    it amazes me how clueless some of you people are that live in Vegas
    you can't win , so you think nobody can
    you seem to be of the opinion that the game is unbeatable
    if you would stop looking at everything and immediately trying to figure out why it won't work and try to figure why it might
    you might get somewhere
    When in the hell are you going to get tired of losing
    Two options pick one
    1) quit gambling at craps
    2) learn to win
    How long have you been into th
     
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  14. James Hall, Jul 15, 2016

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    actually I get that type of compliment quite frequently ,
    We are not related but if he plays as well as everyone on this forum think he does I would love to meet him
    great minds function somewhat alike
    and I find it quite interesting to visit
    with folks like those who have a more elevated perception of craps than the majority of those on this forum
    who seem to be mired in mediocrity
    people who win at the game seem to have a lot of views in common and I find it quite enjoyable
    to share ideas and strategies
    I am always trying to learn and expand my advantage
    If he is publishing books or tapes you should avail yourself of those it couldn't hurt and it might make you a better player
     
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  15. James Hall, Jul 15, 2016

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    two or three of you guys have become quite obsessed with the infrequency of my play
    I worry about you guys , your life must be pretty dull if you are worried about me not getting enough table time
    With 12 to 20 times per year on average in Vegas i spend all the time I need
    and I can assure you it is profitable enough to keep me interested , I don't have to play a lot
    not like I did in the old days , I have other sources of income so I don't have to rely on craps entirely
    to make ends meet I do quite well financially so I don't have to rely on craps for all my finances
    it just adds nicely to what I already have
     
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  16. HornHiYo, Jul 15, 2016

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    James,
    Keyboard Krapsters like you win only in your dreams.
     
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    But you've been here 2 months without one session logged on the tables. You said you were here in Vegas and I assume you didn't play because you never said anything about your play. You're pretty vociferous in your exploits, so I just assumed you didn't play at all. You said you went to watch? and have dinner? Where did you eat?

    Did you take any cell phone pics or anything that might give credence that you were actually here? Pic of a casino marquee...something. How about plane tail number?...then we can track the data of where it flew and when.

    Next time take a few pics and post them. We do that here all the time. Gives some credence to our stories.
     
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  18. James Hall, Jul 15, 2016

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    I think you don't really believe what you said about in my dreams
    I think deep down you know better , you know the truth
    you know what you are doing isn't working , you just don't know what to do and it has you frustrated
    but what amazes me is how angry some of you guys get when you come up against people who actually do win
    We are out there , we do well , we do win , we win a lot and we do it on a consistent basis and for some reason that shakes you up
    it causes you to question yourself and you don't like what you see
    just yesterday I had a guest at my home , a guy who is at the ACA meeting this week
    and it just happened that some of my group happened by and he had an opportunity to see some of them throw the dice .He saw in fact what we do
    He knows
    You would do yourself a favor if you would get with someone who knows what they are doing and get some help
    I guarantee you it would change your life
     
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  19. $nakeEye$, Jul 15, 2016

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    James -

    You are wasting your valuable time on these " mental midgets " -

    I realized that quite some time ago -

    That is the primary reason why I am satisfied to sit back and watch the idle back and forth bickering which dominates this board -

    You would get better results by talking to the wall -

    At least in that manner - you avoid the unintellectual nonsensical responses that you have to contend with by having stupid conversations with these " Rocket Scientists " whose only thing that they possess in common with actual players of the game -

    Is their keyboard -

    Which they hide behind - while they profess to possess -

    BUT definitely LACK intuitive knowledge of the finer points of this game !

    $...eE..$
     
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  20. James Hall, Jul 15, 2016

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    when I see people who are in such denial and need help so bad I just feel like I need to give it a try
    many of them I admit will never be salvageable but anyone in the world deserves a shot
    I will acknowledge also that the vast majority of these naysayers should quit playing they should never
    even walk into a casino some of them are gambling degenerates
    they can't win and the can't or they won't quit
    I just can't help feeling sorry for them
    but everything you said is spot on
    and I thank you
     
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