Craps "$61 Grinder's Choice" Conservative Betting Strategy

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  1. BuckShot, Nov 19, 2019

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    Hey everyone. Sorry it's been so long since I've posted here. I want to introduce to you my latest strategy called: Craps "$61 Grinder's Choice" Conservative Betting Strategy

    My wife & I currently play this at the local casinos and use a bankroll of $305.00 to give us 5 sessions.

    I also have a step by step chart and plenty of demo videos to show you how simple this really is.

    Live Stream Demo


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  2. eagleeye2, Nov 20, 2019

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    BuckShot,

    Why not continue to Play the 6 & 8 either as originally BET or in a Partial or full PRESS???

    This would keep the House Statistical Take as LOW as possible?

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  3. KokomoJoe4, Nov 20, 2019

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    The place six and place eight have ruined more bankrolls than any bet in the game of craps.

    Why? Because they are "good bets" that nearly everyone makes nearly all of the time. Ten ways to win vs. six ways to lose appeals to many bettors, who forget the fact that for each and every dice outcome, seven is the most likely result.

    I don't even like the six/eight bet, let alone the hops, hard ways and ATS, but of course, to each his own.

    BTW, when a method of play states "with a place bet win, drop a buck and make the bets look like $96 across", I'm running away from it, precisely because that first winner often does not show.
     
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  4. Mssthis1, Nov 20, 2019

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    Always pressing or parleying my pass line bet on naturals is the best betting tip I've got from the forums. I'm considering giving up on the place bets and playing the one big bet on the line. If you start paying attention you'd be suprised at the number of sevens and elevens on comeout rolls. Yes a craps number will rain on the parade occasionally.The good thing is if a string of craps comes along all your losses are your min bet and only one bet lost instead of 5. If you're betting across, 1 seven out = 5 pass line loses.

    Monday night I saw a string of 6 straight comeout sevens and elevens after a made point, 3 comeout yo's in a row. When that happens you can make some decent coin if you have a decent sized pass line bet to begin with.

    Thanks, Koko.

    The wife had 2 solo bingo's too. She netted $800 on top of what I made.
     
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  5. KokomoJoe4, Nov 20, 2019

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    Exactly Mssthis1.

    The come out winners are the most common winner for the Do player, most of whom just pull in the even money winner without a thought about using it as a way to make some real money.

    I cant count the number of good sessions that came as a result of winner after parlayed come out winner.

    True, you will sometimes see a loser craps when in the middle of a nice run of one roll winners, but even these larger losers involve only the loss of money that just came out of the bank, not out of the rail.

    Even when you come out on a box number with the parlay, a winner without risk of losing odds still doubles what is at risk on the line.
     
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    So KoKo,

    Just what do you bet???

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  7. basicstrategy777, Nov 20, 2019

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    I advocate this in my book........you might also consider playing a 3 way when the stack gets high.

    777
     
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  8. KokomoJoe4, Nov 20, 2019

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    There's a guy with the handle Dragline who was on the board when I first found the site.

    I think that his method of play is one I liked better than any method I have seen.

    He would play only a fairly large line bet, no odds. Looking for come out winners to parlay. I think he stated he would go out with maybe 5x the table minimum, since he was making only one bet and not using odds.

    He would also often play from the Don't, then using minimum line bet and odds from this direction.

    As I remember, this guy won more sessions than the average Joe. This because he was using the most common outcome in the game to his benefit, not his detriment.
     
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  9. KokomoJoe4, Nov 20, 2019

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    EE2,

    Almost always, I use only a single line bet, either P or C but usually not both.

    Parlay come out winners, avoiding odds when parlaying.

    If no come out winner, place odds on the line bet.

    The key to not losing too much at one time is to avoid making any more than one bet at a time.

    Is this entertaining? Usually not, but it keeps losses small. When hitting the numbers you are on or winning nice come outs when parlayed, start making larger but still single bets, and hope the winners keep coming.

    Mr. Hall would not be happy I am depending on hope and luck, and I hope he is well.
     
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  10. twodicebilly, Nov 20, 2019

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    me either, with a little work there are opportunities to do better.

    Now I am not suggesting there is anything wrong with what your talking about, even Frank
    S indicated every bet is a contract with the casino and each bet has a cost, the more bets you
    make, the higher the cost.

    Playing for fun is fine, the vast majority of people do that, everyone that plays slots knows
    they are going to lose and yet they do it. Look at what they have done to slots.... hitting
    the bonus is what creates that fun and people stay way to long at each slot because it looks
    like they are going to hit that bonus. Bonus bets in craps do the same, people will play
    weeks just to hit a fire bet now and then and the ATS

    The casino wants it to be fun... so they make it fun

    I dont care about the money, win a little i am good, with a little more i am still good, i wont ever
    lose to much on the table because i wont play under conditions that are that bad. But when
    Rick indicated that changes can make a difference and Linaway's material put some reason
    behind them my idea changed of what could be done.......

    the real fun in craps they give you the dice. see what you can do

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  11. TDVegas, Nov 20, 2019

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    Either you are playing for fun or not. If you are not playing for fun...then you are playing for money.

    Craps is not some hobby like chess or backgammon. Money is 100% tied to this game. Without money...the game doesn't exist.

    So let me get this straight....invest money in a home table. Invest more money in lessons. Practice and more practice. Experiment with sets, tosses, mechanics. Record all the mathematical data to ensure you can play this game at an advantage. After all this time, effort AND money has been invested in this endeavor to "get better at craps" and more specifically "win money at craps by playing with an advantage"....then you step back and say "I don't care about the money"??

    Yeah...not buying it. But enjoy.

    I really don't believe someone practices craps for just fun. It's not a hobby that one derives health benefits from (bike riding, hiking trails, golf) or sees majestic mountain views while in the great outdoors or is on a lake fishing, breathing in fresh air. I can see only one reason to bury yourself in a room and practice craps. That reason is to make money at it.

    Without the money aspect of craps....no one is playing this game. Games like backgammon or checkers or chess ARE played purely for enjoyment and sometimes money. We play craps for entertainment....but the factor of winning money is absolutely tied into this unlike chess, checkers, backgammon which is also played without money (fun, challenging). Without money tied to the game of craps...a craps table has a layer of dust on it 2 feet high.

    If you are not playing for fun....then you are playing for money.
     
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  12. twodicebilly, Nov 20, 2019

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    If you are not playing for fun....then you are playing for money.

    The fun I am seeking is vastly different than what you seek, that will
    never change, nor will you ever understand because the enjoyment I seek
    you feel is impossible...

    Now I think that is a poor way to live

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    Again...I don't believe craps is a game that is played or even exists unless money is tied into it.

    While there may be some initial fun in tossing dice and seeing what happens....that will quickly wear away UNLESS something else is tied into it....money!!

    If there are 4 chess tables and 4 backgammon tables and 4 craps table at the local men's club...and money is not being tied into any of them, then the craps tables will have a layer of dust. The 2 other games will be played. No need for craps chips or even felt markings if money isn't being tied into it.

    I don't see craps (without money) as some kind of hobby. If one goes thru the motions of time and money of somehow figuring out he can play the game to make money....then that's why he's playing.

    If you can go to a room and toss dice day after day as just some hobby and no other motive (money, beating the game)....kudos. I can think of a million things to do that will be more enjoyable.
     
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  14. KokomoJoe4, Nov 20, 2019

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    Absolutely it's about winning money.

    The thought of turning a small amount of cash into a much larger amount is the thrill of gambling. I seldom have fun playing craps, and for the few times I do have fun, the great majority of them are because of a nice winner.
     
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    Absolutely. That's my point. If someone tells me their motive for playing is not fun....then their motive is winning money. Anyone who tells me "I don't care about the money"....???? What?

    To take it a step further...if that person goes to all the trouble of investing in a home table, lessons, practice, collating data for the sole purpose of determining "can he beat the game".....comes to the conclusion HE CAN.....then says "I don't care about the money"...???

    That's bizarro world to me. I assume others would say the same.

    Craps is not a hobby like chess or backgammon can be. Without money, the game doesn't exist.
     
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    you need to grow up, you cant tell people how to play, when to play, how much
    play for, what they are playing for.

    I play because I enjoy trying to beat the table with my shot and changing sets
    if needed. that is what I enjoy, the money is one way of keeping score, but it is
    not what your playing for.... I bill $150 an hour for my work, I think you playing
    the bubble for a buck is completely nuts...but you enjoy that, even worse most of
    you guys indicated you cant beat the table, you can use your shot to beat the
    table, you cant adjust sets to beat the table, you cant use trends to beat the table,
    you cant over-come the house advantage so what in the hell are you playing for....
    sure cant be the money????

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  17. TDVegas, Nov 20, 2019

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    Ok...your enjoyment factor seems to trump the making money aspect. Strange, but whatever. Especially for an AP player.
    If you have made it your business to buy a home table, invest money in lessons, practice, collate data....and you are NOT playing for money---then I am at a loss as to what you are doing, ESPECIALLY since you have claimed you are an AP craps player because of all this work you have done.
    Yeah..and I billed $75/hour for tennis lessons. I don't think anyone gives a shit what you or I or anyone "bills" for their work time. Not even sure why you bring it up. If you are a true AP player....and with the numbers you have previously stated on "what you can roll".....$150/hour is a piker. Yet, I still bet you are dealing in $5 chips.
    Playing a negative expectation game for the lowest amount possible is what I would call the “smartest money play” in existence. I don't play for making money because I know long haul....the game isn't built for that. I still enjoy the short term idea of winning....whatever it is. It's more a "slay the dragon" for that day, not money. You seem to think otherwise and claim you can make money with your shot....but you don't care about the money?

    I think you're the one who is nuts.
    Not “beating the table” doesn't mean they can't win. Of course they can. Variance can trump house edge. I'm sure they play for the thrill of winning, the excitement of winning, the fun, the chance of winning $$. That idea trumps the negative expectation of the game....at least for the moment or time they are on the table.

    At the end of the day, I don't think there is a difference. We credit luck to our win and you want to credit yourself for the win.....

    Is it the same thing??:eek:

    In winning or losing more $$ at this game we call craps....I’ll put my 5 year Stations Casino P/L statement up against your Moose Lake Casino P/L (or wherever you play regularly) any day of the week. Assuming you aren’t ratholing chips....game on
     
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  18. Speedracer7, Nov 20, 2019

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    Vince...........I follow your channel on YouTube. I like the $61 Grinder's Choice. Only used it in practice so far. Going to a casino to try it on live table in December........ with a couple of (personal) adjustments...... One is to make a $5 Field bet along with the $30 6/8....... since I do not always hit one of those numbers in the first 3-4 rolls. The second is that once the $96 across is set up.......... I bet a $25 green in the DC......then when it travels to a number..........I increase the place bet on that number to $25 from $15......giving me a bigger win when that number is hit.
     
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    At the end of the day, I don't think there is a difference. We credit luck to our win and you want to credit yourself for the win.....

    for you there is no difference, you still cant understand why i play....and it has been over 2 years.

    Being good enough to charge for tennis lessons, is not just about tennis, that is a side product of what you have
    done to get to that point....you do the things you have learned and the tennis takes care of itself...….I do the things
    I have learned about my job and the money takes care of itself...
    In craps the last few years I found that doing s few things I have learned.... the results take care of themselves.

    the fun ( for me) in life is finding the things that make a difference, and doing those.

    craps is by far the best game ever because it allows so much of you in the process, and the better your results, the
    better it means you have learned those things.

    I am sorry you cant understand it from my point of view....there is so much more to the game than money

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