CRAPS ~ CASINO DICE CHANGE OUTS

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  1. eagleeye2, Jun 22, 2018

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    CRAPS ~ CASINO DICE CHANGE OUTS

    I believe they are talking about changing out DICE on the FLY so to speak!

    In which case study the following Options:

    how many times you have seen the CASINO change out the DICE after a great roll (or even during a Great Roll) by a SHOOTER?

    Now, it's obvious that most DICE can last a full day, or at least a full shift, why, then WHY DOES the CASINO change them out after Many HOT ROLLS?

    Three potential ANSWERS IMHO:

    1) CASINO Personnel are Superstitious

    2) TABLE Personnel got that Call From Upstairs, to Pull & Inspect the DICE, to verify that they haven't been changed or modified by a table magician!

    3) Casino wants to CUT POTENTIAL LOSSES, by inserting DICE they feel will aid the CASINO, i.e. those all to prevalent UNBALANCED DICE!

    As one on the PLAYERS SIDE of the TABLE; would you NOT LIKE to be the one to figure things out & EXPLOIT it, while the uninformed continue to donate to the CASINO?

    Think about it, rather than just reply like a programmed robot!
     
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  2. eagleeye2, Jun 22, 2018

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  3. lone irish digit, Jun 22, 2018

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    This is Barney,

    The most greatest eagle personage, although I do not play the game of craps I am very observant when watching the LID play at the tables of the craps. When the LID is on the most hottest of the rolls and the boxman changes the dice the LID usually ask them what up. Their usual answer is that after careful examination of dices they have been found defective because the opposite sides of dice do not add up to the seven. The LID usually thanks them for their concern and he continues his rolls of the dices when they get new dices out of the wrappers.


    Thank you very much
     
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  4. eagleeye2, Jun 22, 2018

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    WRONG'O Barney!

    Just as a Leopard dose NOT Change it's spots, so Do Opposite Sides of EVERY DIE add to (7)!

    eagleeye2
     
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  5. Twelve4s, Jun 23, 2018

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    The following is a robotic reply to your ongoing robotic posts regarding dice paranoia puzzlements,

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    After an extensive robotic survey of untold number of posts about crappy dice in use at various unscrupulous Casinos, the answer to your latest retarted inquiry is so simple, you failed to see it, so you had to ask a robot. So here is the answer: The Casinos read this forum daily and have taken notice of your dice paranoia posts and are so amused by them, that they decided to up their game and are employing new tactics of dice switching and razzle dazzle, just to fuck with you for their own amusement, to see what nonsense you post next. In short, they are trolling you. To your continued success.
     
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  6. Mssthis1, Jun 23, 2018

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    They also do it so bad players have a scapegoat to blame besides themselves for their losing ways. Don't want to lose a fish once you have it hooked.
     
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  7. von duck, Jun 23, 2018

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    Thank you, TD Crispcem. Now, where is OAP? Seems that his oh so close buddy TDVegas, would be able to tell us something. The last time OAP went missing, he came back and said he hadn't been able to post, cause he hurt his "FOOT". That's a pretty lame ( no pun intended) excuse, I mean, how would a hurt foot, keep you from posting. No, I don't think this is a casual absents. If somebody knows him, why don't you check-in, and see what's going on, and get back with us, one way or the other. :cool: We'll be waitin. :)
     
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  8. twodicebilly, Jun 23, 2018

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    Eagleeye2

    I have to be honest I never have seen them change dice after
    a hot roll. Now I dont play much at the high end places in parts of
    the country, I like the smaller places.
    tdb
     
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  9. Mssthis1, Jun 23, 2018

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    I have never seen it either. Some places change the dice at all tables when they open another table. Some use different colors if they have more than one table open. Supposedly when the Lady Luck was still open in Vegas they'd pull out a set of old beat up dice if someone was DI'ing them. Don't know if that is true or not.

    If they sweat DI there's easier things to do that most people never notice. I quit playing craps at the NA casino close to home because they have their table tilted so much that a chip dropped on edge by a player rolls to the dealer side. Don't know if they did it because they sweat or for convenience. The results are the same no matter the intention.

    Some places may sweat. At least one casino in Laughlin puts newspaper obituaries under the felt to "hex" it. I heard that straight from a pit bosses mouth in Laughlin so, there's a 50% chance it's true...................
     
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  10. eagleeye2, Jun 23, 2018

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    twodicebilly,

    I two have missed DICE change outs as outlined below, but will not in the future, read the following carefully.

    ""One must be very careful of what may be described as a Normal 7-Out after a GOOD ROLL".

    Casino hoopla around a 7- Out is INTENDED to put those folks at the table, at ease with that 7-Out.

    Case in point, once I was playing & chatting with the player next to me on a HOT Table, when the shooter 7'd out. To my surprise, the player next to me said Bets Down & set his chips to Color out. I quietly asked him if he had to go, to which he replied NO, but did you miss the dice change?

    Being eagleeye, I was a bit taken back, which he noticed, whereupon he flatly stated to me, when a player 7's out on a HOT Table, do not watch the Pay-Outs, watch the BOX MAN. I saw him very discretely switch in NEW DICE, to which I choose not to play with.

    I 100% believed him & I also exited that game. From then on, my eyes are on the Box Man after every 7 out, yours ought to be also!

    Chalk that up to Craps TIPS from eagleeye2.

    eagleeye2
     
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  11. von duck, Jun 23, 2018

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    How in the mortal hell, do you "very descretely" remove 5 dice from the table, and replace them with 5 new dice. They would have to cross the table, to the tray on the other side, coming and going. I will though , as you say, "chalk it up" to craps tips from EE2. Maybe your not really an Eagle eye, maybe your just a "so called" Eagle eye. When was the last time you went to an Optometrist? A good place to watch for a dice switch, is anywhere, that you have "easy" access to the pass line. :)
     
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  12. twodicebilly, Jun 23, 2018

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    I sure as hell wont say what you saw did not happen, there is no reason it could not happen...

    The crap I have seen at the table since I started to work on my shot tells
    me there is no question they are concerned about some one that may beat them more often than they should.

    However I am not in the camp the thinks the casino will scew with the dice on purpose, hell the majority dont know how to see if they are balanced. I think they get dice from they cheapest place they can.

    If you see funny shit and still play that is your fault.

    If have a good shot you better do what they say, hit the back wall, set quickly , shoot quickly, they will treat a guy with a good looking shot differently than a random guy.

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    Do you really think the casinos don't know how to check a set of dice to see if they're ballanced? :confused: I assure you they do, or have at least one guy that does. They probably farm that chore out, and receive the dice in a certification wrap. If the dice do not fall within a reasonable tolerance, than it would likely be no accident. There may also be ways to skew results, that guys like us have never thought of, and very few, if any, pit people even know about. I and you, do not know what is possible , but we DO know one thing. There are no ethical bounds, to what they will stoop to, when it comes to relieving someone of their money. :cool:
     
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  14. twodicebilly, Jun 23, 2018

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    No I do not.

    I have seen a number of casino's prepare the dice for play and many did not check the right
    way to see if they were balanced..... I saw one in las vegas that only measured the dice.

    tdb
     
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  15. TDVegas, Jun 23, 2018

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    Must you really ask. Of course it is sleight of hand. This was a former magician moonlighting as a boxman. Taking 5 dice that were in play....out of play and putting 5 new dice into play without anyone seeing except the degenerate playing next to Eagleeye? Don't be so naive.

    He was even able to remove the dice from the packaging without anyone noticing.

    In fact I saw a dealer change out a 6 deck shoe mid hand with an entirely new 6 deck shoe. No one noticed.
     
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    Don't be so naive man. It may be that measuring the dice, was all the guy was ALLOWED to do. Take a look at that large stack of chips in front of the box man. Do you think they are going to put them, at any unnecessary risk. They spare no expense, to protect that money, and you can bet your ASS on that. If the dice are not "straight" (within reasonable tolerance) it would NOT be for negligence .:cool:
     
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  17. twodicebilly, Jun 23, 2018

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    This is silly, have it your way.

    tdb
     
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  18. TDVegas, Jun 23, 2018

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    If you believed him...and EVER stepped foot back in that casino---that's on you. Only a complete moron would play at this casino again if he experienced this.

    Anyone subjecting themselves to "selective" grief because he sets the dice when others don't get grief and it's NOT simply related to taking too long or acting belligerent when advised to speed it up---that's on you if you continue to gamble at that establishment in the future.

    These should be ONE time occurrences in a certain casino. You will never be back.

    I have never seen anyone given grief at Red Rock for setting, mechanical tosses or a "good shot." Never. Not once. None of the guys HERE who have played there...including DI's, have ever reported ANY thing but friendly crews.

    Some of the guys who have played on the RR tables without ANY issue....
    tomp (RIP) (wing em and fling em)
    MSSthis (DI)
    Gargoil (DI)
    Rick (we still aren't sure if he's a randie or a DI)
    I'm sure there are others. Can't remember if Liman played the RR tables.
    99% of these issues are problem players, IMO. Questioning crew. Belligerence. Swearing. No one likes a complainer....especially a crew on a 9 hour day.
     
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  19. SevenOut, Jun 23, 2018

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    Casino Management and Dealers are not superstitious.

    Players are superstitious and will do the dumbest things to perfect their control and magical handling of a pair of dice. The Craps Table will bring in more chips into their Bank, when the word gets out that the table is HOT, as the table fills up and easy money for stock owners. There are still the same amount of minutes in an 8 hour day. The dice will be the same. The players are not.

    They are cheap. If they could get a discount from a Supplier, by removing some of the pips on the dice, they would if it meant they could... SAVE MONEY.

    Of course, those of you on this Forum who understand how to shoot craps would take advantage of missing pips after the first shot.

    Often, the stick of dice come out for replacement on a shift change. It is not sneaky. It will be right in front of you. You may even see several suits watching the process.

    And... no... LID does not tamper with these dice before they are brought out to the table. He counts the take at 2AM in the morning, and gets his cut of the tips.
     
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  20. eagleeye2, Jun 23, 2018

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    twodicebilly, or anyone else,

    Kindly tell the thread where you have seen DICE placed in a Dice Balancing Caliper & SPUN, prior to inserting them into the game.

    Thanks,

    eagleeye2
     
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