CRAPS- only 48 inches for an outcome

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  1. SevenOut, May 5, 2018

    SevenOut

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    Caveat: For those who... Know It All... ignore this Thread.

    Craps Players may be on opposite ends of a Craps Table, but the news of any dice outcome is less than 48 inches from the King of the Craps Table... the Stickman. His hooked bamboo stick can retrieve a pair of dice anywhere, at any time, at rest upon the Craps Table felt.

    You, as the shooter or a player are only Pawns in this complicated game controlled by a pair of dice and a colorful layout of wagering options. It is the Stickman who controls the speed of the game, enforces the rules established by the Casino or Custom and awards the highest paying rewards of chance at the Center of the Craps Table Universe. Proposition and Hardway Wagers.

    IF you believe the Stickman or an End Dealer made a mistake in paying winners or losing your wager tossed onto the table... GET your END dealer's attention and... State your Complaint. The Stickman can make the correction, or the ultimate decision is made by the Boxman, guarding the table's Bankroll. I have yet to watch the Boxman to refer a decision to the next level up... the Pit Boss or to the Camera in the Ceilings.

    YOU need to watch your wagers when made, if they are placed correctly in the number box of choice and if the placement remains after others are tossing their wagers haphazardly onto the cloth.

    IF, for example, a Hardway Wager is thrown... easy way... and the Stickman does not take the wager down as a loser... hold your breath and let it ride. It is not your job to assist the Stickman, Boxman or End Dealer in managing the ebb and flow of the game. It IS your job to keep a constant vigil of your wagers, where they are and if there is a payout to know what to expect when the End Dealer is cutting out chips for a payout.

    This applies also to the Stickman calling out and directing an End Dealer on Center Table wager payouts to each winner.

    -Understand what ON and OFF mean.
    -Understand how to CALL out a wager and watch the Dealer place it in the proper position.
    -Understand if a VIG is to be paid up front, or after a win and which is better.
    -Understand that when you make a wager, speak out loud AFTER getting the Dealer's Attention.
    -Understand what Correct Odds... means.
    -Understand the Table Minimum and Maximum Odds allowed on any wager. They can vary at a different Casino.

    The best Players at Craps were at one time a Craps Dealer. Understanding the Casino Employee's and Player's view is very helpful in understanding the basics of Craps Etiquette.

    Ignore Dice Influencing. Ignore Dice Control. Ignore Dice Bias. Ignore Dice Setting. These are beyond the capacity of a New Craps Player to understand. Once a new Craps Player understands Craps Odds, Procedures and one or more Systems of Play... then advance to the handling of dice to attempt influencing a tighter range of dice outcomes.

    The majority of Craps Players only need to understand the Basic Mathematics of Craps and several Systems of Play. If you do not understand either one of these important aspects of Craps... you have no business going any further.

    Most of the time you will be at the mercy of a shooter unknown to you. That is not bad, nor good. It is a fact.
     
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  2. TDVegas, May 5, 2018

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    I've never worried about being short changed. I've never been over paid. I've never had a chip pilfered by someone else. I've never had to question the stick, the dealer, the boxman, the pit or the eye. I've never had my toss questioned. I've never dealt with a bad attitude dealer. Then again...I'm talking bubble craps;)

    I do know the odds....but my betting is methodical so it really doesn't matter at this point. Tap, tap, bubble, bubble...pay, pay. Never wrong.:)
     
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  3. Liman

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    I've been choosing my casinos the past few years on how much they offer me in terms of comps and free rooms


    All craps tables offer me similar outcomes
    All stickmen are the same to me
    Different outfits but same operations

    Nice post 7out
     
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  4. DeMango, May 5, 2018

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    Just a slight correction there Liman. There are casinos with better odds, which means they short change you less. Some offer greater odds on the line bet. Some casinos have buy bets and lay bets with vig on win only. Some have no big buy 4/10’s. Gotta shop around!
     
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    So, you have NEVER played REAL craps? Big surprise, huh, guys? :cool:
     
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  6. lone irish digit, May 5, 2018

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    This is Barney,

    The LID gets much more better advantage from tables than the bubbles. At most casino he gets 3x on 12, 20x odds, consistently get overpaid by women dealers, and often tipped by men box personages as they admire his magnificent tossing abilities.


    Thank you very much
     
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  7. Mssthis1, May 5, 2018

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    Only thing I can add is please deposit your place bet wagers in one neat stack in the come box and tell the dealer what you want.

    Splash and string betters irritate me as a player. I would imagine it isn't a favorite thing to deal with for dealers either. I see people who have been playing for decades still put out their place bets one at a time or splash the chips.
     
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    REAL craps? Did Supperrick hijack your account?
     
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    that's always a consideration, but if the odds offered are not what I want, I will make some place bets. if Im paying for rooms and food, comps will make up the difference on the odds on the tables for me.
     
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  10. SevenOut, May 5, 2018

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    Bubble Craps:

    I, personally, find Bubble Craps a very effective and productive option for experienced players. The Break In for a 'new' Bubble Craps Player takes getting adjusted to thinking fast. The Bubble waits for no one. If you make an improper wager, the Bubble pays in partial dollars into cents.

    Do not expect to do well if you are NOT an experienced Table Craps Player. I have watched Players handling two positions at a Bubble Craps. A sign of experience and knowledge of the game. I do not understand why anyone would have a critical view towards Bubble Craps or those who play at their leisure. Myself... I prefer the Table. Not because it is better, but the time it would take me to get the Bubble Craps Rhythm would cost me getting up to speed.
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    Post #4 DeMango answered the Vig statement. To encourage Wagering MORE, especially on the Four and Ten... paying the Vig AFTER a Win is a 4% incentive on a $25 wager. When you are wagering 'serious money' even Buying the 6 and the 8 will give you additional winnings. Do the math BEFORE. There is a point where BUYING makes 'sense to dollars'.
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    Some Casino Craps Tables think they can make more by having a 3X4X5X Odds on their Numbers. The 4 or 10, 3X. The 5 or 9, 4X. The 6 or 8, 5X. Better than a 2X Odds table.

    If a Strip Casino in Las Vegas has a 2X Odds Game... Place Wagers are 4X Odds for each number. Sure, you miss the Come Out of a 7 or 11 win, but also miss the loser 2, 3 and 12. The Place Bet pays you twice, while the Come Bet pays only once. This again, is what you need to understand Manage a System. Each extra dollar squeezed out of a WIN is money in your pocket that the table would, otherwise, kept.
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    Post #7 Mssthis1 will be treated better by the End Dealer and Stickman with these simple ways to make wagers. The better your knowledge of Craps, the better your technique making End Dealer and Stickman wagers. You can also lose a few chips if they roll onto another wager... If you do not think that has happened... ask me. I had a rogue $5 chip sit upon my Hard 8, which later hit for a $90 payout, rather than $45.

    You will learn how to take a Stickman Wager and keep the chips together to the Stickman's hand. A good 'Stick' will catch a single chip on the back of his hand. When he holds his hand out, that is the target. An inexperienced Stickman will reach towards the incoming chip(s). Experienced Craps Players know what I mean...
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    The Casino does offer How to Play Craps class. It is very basic. One good point is that often you will be given $5 or $10 in match play, as for 'green players' the Table will get it back in a minute or less.
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    Craps table comps are not as lucrative as those who hammer away at a slot machine. The Craps Table is expensive to operate. Players actually can win big money in a short period of time. If you are an up to $300 Bankroll Player, you will get some comps. If you win BIG... ask the Pit Boss that was watching you color out your winnings if you could have a couple of comped Show Tickets and Meals. If you do not ask... you will not receive. They want WINNERS back with 'THEIR CASINO' winnings.
     
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    I don't see this as much these days.........Id go a bit further, when I call out a hard way not only does the stick catch it on the back of his hand, which is very impressive to me, some seem to do it when they are handling other bets at the same time., moving or setting someone elses hard bet and catching my bet in one fluid motion. (man, its really good stuff watching experienced dealers and the ease of which they payout, stack, place bets)......unfortunately, it seems with all the new casinos I play in lately, most dealers are fresh, green, there is nothing exceptional about their math skills or chip handling. often they need confirmation from boxman on payouts, or the dealer already laid the money out in the come box and is correcting the stick when he points and gives the wrong amount.

    did I mention, I really love bubble craps. funny, Ive never seen the bubble hesitate or wait for confirmation on a payout, its instant and to the penny. Some of the new dealers might be strapping calculators to their forearms soon.

    back in early 80s, I used to go to vegas once every 12 weeks or so, and played in slots/fun (maybe it was westward ho) and across the street from stardust in silver city. both had 25 cent craps tables, slots/fun was a training ground for circus circus dealers, and Im sure silver city trained for riviera or another casino close by, don't know who owned it. It was expected to find slower games, but when I was also learning and making 50 cent passline bets, I never noticed the pace of the game or the skill level of the crew, just made sure I got my bets paid correctly.

    vegas was a different world back then.
     
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