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  1. vaggos608, Jan 14, 2021

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    Hello i have a question.I am new player and i cant understand some things.
    When the dice roll 7 and a new round starts. And I bet 1 euro to pass line and 1 euro to dont pass line.In which case do I lose both of my bets?Stupit question but its important for me.Thanks
     

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  2. KokomoJoe4, Jan 14, 2021

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    The play you describe is called the "Doey-Don't".

    You will never lose both bets at the same time ----> (A) If 7 or 11 shows on the come out, you win the Pass bet and lose the Don't Pass. (B) If 2 or 3 shows, you win the Don't Pass and lose the Pass. (C) If 12 shows, you lose the Pass bet, but your Don't Pass is a "push", it does not win or lose, so if you want to continue with your Doey-Don't play, you have place another Euro on the Pass line.

    For your information, it is advisable to play Doey-Don't ONLY if your intention is to play odds on the Don't bet.

    Logical reasoning for this is as follows: If you plan on placing odds behind the Pass (Do) bet, it is stupid to hedge the come out roll. Why? Sitting alone on the Pass line without a corresponding Don't bet, you are a 2:1 favorite to get a one roll winner since there are a total of eight ways to roll winner vs. four ways to roll loser. Therefor, placing the Don't to guard against a come out loser will, in the long run, make your chances of winning worse than they are without the bet.

    However, IF you intend to place odds behind your Don't bet after a point comes out, the Doey-Don't "protects" you from losing at come out, where you have only three chances for a winner vs. eight chances for a loser.

    The come out roll is the Don't bettor's worst part of the game, since he will, on average, lose that come out bet over twice as often as he will win it.

    With all this said, in my opinion, and it is only an opinion, you are better off NOT placing two come out bets. Rather, just play the Don't Pass, with the idea of "letting ride" any and all come winners ([1][1]'s and [2][1]'s), then letting them sit for another come out, WITHOUT placing odds when this happens. Why? Because a winner here will turn your $x into $2x with the come out winner, then into $4x when your parlayed bet wins again at seven out, WITHOUT risking odds when this is in process.

    Hope this helps. Good luck with your play, and let us know how things go for you.
     
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  3. Settingcanthurt, Jan 14, 2021

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    So on the comeout with a doey-dont bet and the dice show a inside number. You now have two bets on the table. One for the point and one don't pass, or is the don't bet finalized?
     
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    No case. Never.
     
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    Don’t bet isn’t finalized until the inside (point) number rolls (you lose)...or a 7 is rolled (you win).
     
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  6. Settingcanthurt, Jan 14, 2021

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    Ok so outcomes if point is 5 and 5 is made. Dont't is a loss Passline wins 3-1 profit without odds?
    looking for a reason to make the doey - dont bet
     
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  7. von duck, Jan 15, 2021

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    Stu-pit question is right. In fact, this question is so "weak" it could have only one source, perhaps indirectly.
    What I would like to know is, where did you find a one euro minimum table? :confused: Most tables these days are 10 euros or more minimum.
    Number two, where did you learn this "awesome" betting strategy?
    If you play in my favorite casino, and you don't know when both bets lose, and the dealer knows that, then you would lose both bets every time. :D
     
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    I've covered this at least five times. You play this bet to get very cheap buys or lays, on whatever the point number is. That's the reason. Works best on big odds tables, 10X is good. You can get 24 buys or lays for only $5, and they could be in the 50-100 dollar range. Works out to about 21 cents per buy or lay, on average. About 1/10 the normal cost. Works like a charm, but you are limited to just the current point number. :cool:
     
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    Thanks all for your answers guys!
     
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  10. vaggos608, Jan 15, 2021

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    i ask this question becaouse i am new player and create accout in a booker an take bonus.Must play 30 times the money of bonus and can to be withdrawn.So if do it this this technique is correct;Sorry also for my bad english.
     
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    This one sows it up. :D Gotta be him. :cool:
     
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    I know a guy that tried this on the bubble, and got 18 come-out 12s in a row. When he complained, the supervisor told him he just experiencing "variance". :D I told him, he was experiencing, an anal intrusion. :cool:
     
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  13. Settingcanthurt, Jan 15, 2021

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    Did he bow to your expertise?
     
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    If you want to play the dory-don't to its maximum effectiveness, bet $30 on each line and one dollar on midnight. At a 10X odds table, you could then make a $300 buy or a $360, $450, or $600 lay, for $1 vig. 1/15 of the usual price. If you're a big time player like Liman, you can go up in any multiple of $30, to the table limit. :cool: Up next, the best use of the doey, that I've ever seen. It's a doozy. :)
     
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  15. basicstrategy777, Jan 15, 2021

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    Of course you don't have to lose one of the bets......

    777
     
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  16. yacraps, Jan 15, 2021

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    BULLSHIT
     
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  17. yacraps, Jan 15, 2021

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    ...and more BULLSHIT...in your fantasy dreams
     
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  18. DeMango, Jan 15, 2021

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    Can't see the flaw here, care to explain?
     
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  19. yacraps, Jan 16, 2021

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    the flat part of a line bet has nothing to do with a buy bet...and why would you make a buy bet and pay a vig when you can take the true odds or lay the true odds
     
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  20. von duck, Jan 16, 2021

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    :confused:
    There actually is a minor flaw in the math. The 24 buys or lays would cost you $35 in this case, so the price is closer to $1.50 than $1. Other than that it's all pretty much dead on.
    The best use I've seen anybody make of this play, was on a $5 table, with 10X odds. The guy bet $5 line bets, then used a three step D'Alumbert, on the lay odds. $6, $12, $36. Any winner on the lay odds, will give you a small profit, or in the case of the 4 or 10, at $12 or $36, you would gain position, back to $6, and all lost odds returned. Anybody that "outs" without throwing three point numbers back, should leave you at the bottom bet, and no worse than even on the odds bet. $100 buy-in, and you are in business. A blow-out, will only cost you $54. You can always double triple or more, the action, and buy-in. There should be times when you can play this all afternoon, and never see a three point thrower. Give it a shot if you're a grinder, and let's face it, most of us are. :cool:
     
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