CRAPS REGULARS & TIPPING

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  1. BuckShot, Mar 26, 2018

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    I read this in another forum and wanted to share it here.

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    This blog is about taking care of regular dice shooters at the local craps tables.

    I mentioned this also in the forums, but It should be known to everyone and shared everywhere.

    We know most of the regular dice shooters from many casinos who have a good average (more than 10 numbers rolled) and this is good. But there are also shooters that roll REPEATED numbers. These are the guys you need to take care of.

    Buckshot & Repeated number shooters will make you a small fortune is very little time. They may not know you but you know them.

    It is very important to have these guys recognize you as a "Tip the shooter" type person.
    Let them know when you plan to do so by doing simple things like taking $25.00 from your stack and tell the stick man "$5 Fire bet for the shooter" or even a small gesture like "$5 C&E for the shooter"

    Or if you're next to the shooter, "I got your pass line bet covered"

    These little "investments", "Tips" go a long way.

    Just the other day a regular craps shooter down on his luck approached the table and try to borrow $100 from his friend and in response, he was refused. I knew this guy from a couple hours earlier rolling tons of numbers and made me more than $100 in profits a few times during the night.

    He didn't know me but I knew him because of the way he threw the dice using a vertical dice set and continuously rolling repeated 5's, 6's & 8's throughout the night.

    He got to know me well when I offered to pay his pass line bet. $15.00. His first roll was a 4 and it just got crazy for the next 20 minutes. He made me more than $100 just from the 5,6,8 then he made the point and made himself money.

    His 20 minute roll made me more than $300 (Would have been much more if I had pressed my bets)

    Craps regulars should work as a team and help each other out.

    The paybacks are ten fold.

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  2. DeMango, Mar 26, 2018

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    Good shooters do not have to borrow money. Craps regulars are social animals who pay the vig to remain there. If they were any good they would no longer play there. They would be at Bellagio where there are very few, if any social animals.
     
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    couple of hours earlier he had a great roll made you money and now 2 hours later hes asking someone for buy in money, 100 bucks?

    hes got a serious addiction, hes headed down a path of financial destruction, best no one gives him buy in money,
     
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  4. TDVegas, Mar 26, 2018

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    I highly doubt anyone is keeping track as to which regular has longer rolls or a "good average" vs. the next guy.

    I would agree with Demango. A good shooter doesn't need to borrow money.

    If someone wants to tip a guy who made good money for a player? Sure. Go for it.
     
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  5. BuckShot, Mar 26, 2018

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    In my opinion, I think the guy lacks money management skills.
    Many good shooters think they have "Conquer the world in their heads" They bet on every number at the craps table and press press press till there is no money left.

    I know because I do the same thing. That's why I have my wife handle the dice shooting and betting.
    I just give her a set of steps and let her do her thing.

    We bet only a couple numbers and we make money, meanwhile others betting 100 across got to be out of their minds. That's 6 numbers in play and one seven can wipe them out and it does happen many times in a session.
     
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  6. TDVegas, Mar 26, 2018

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    This reeks of degenerate gambler more than "money management" skills at the table.

    The day you need to borrow (begging seems a more appropriate word) money to gamble is the day you need to get yourself to gamblers anonymous.
     
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  7. PeacePeople, Apr 2, 2018

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    So is it good etiquette to tip a shooter? When I'm tipped, which is only a couple times, I usually use that money to tip the dealers. Is that a bad thing?
     
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    Guys with huge bankrolls don't give a Rat's Ass about betting Across or inside. They feel that their bankroll can weather the storm.
    Personally, I feel that you give away a huge chunk of ANY skill that you MIGHT have as a good shooter by betting Inside, Across, Even, Outside, etc.

    Return of investment is horrible. However, guys that practice their shot have only one mindset.....I can roll numbers, numbers, & more numbers.

    They simply don't realize that their skill ( especially the guys that hit those repeaters) will make them muuuucchhhhh more money betting 1-3 numbers!

    Alas......you CANNOT tell people how to bet the game. After all.....ITS THEIR MONEY!
     
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  9. The Midnight Skulker, Apr 2, 2018

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    It certainly isn't bad etiquette, but I have not seen any discussion by a pundit on casino tipping mention "customary gratuities" to a shooter. I'm old school when it comes to tipping; I consider gratuities as rewards for service above that required by the job. A shooter can generate his/her own rewards and therefore does not need any additional reward from me.

    That said I have tipped shooters on whose hand I made a bundle while they made zip. I limit such share-the-wealth gestures to covering losses or putting up action for them during the hand that's winning me a grand.

    That said I did once offer to cover a shooter's loss during a hand before he made me a dime. We were the only players on our side of the table, he SO left, me SL~2. I was going dark on other shooters. He started off establishing a point, and while Jim was trying to avoid being dinner for the pride of lions -- sorry, phased into Wild Kingdom there -- while Jim (probably not his actual name) was shooting to make his point I got behind three numbers with DC plus single odds. "Jim" made his point, made another PL bet, came out with another point that was not one of mine, took odds, and asked me if I would cover him if he 7ed out. Being as his PL+odds was substantially less than what I stood to win I agreed, setting in the rack between us the amount of his bet and stipulating that the deal was off if he picked off one of my numbers. He did pick off one -- maybe two, I don't remember -- before whiffing, so we both lost, kind of "the tip that wasn't".
    I only vaguely recall being tipped once, and being as I had lost money on the hand and the tip was less than that loss I kept all of it. Upon further review, however, I think I would split any excess with the crew. To give it all to the crew might be considered something of a slap in the face to the tipper, definitely an interpretation I would wish to avoid.

    OK, Anecdote #2, totally unrelated to craps but à propos to tipping. I have lunch a couple times a month at a particular buffet and therefore am on a first-name basis with some of the waitresses. On one occasion my server asked what I wanted to drink but got busy taking orders at the next table and forgot to deliver my beverage. Some minutes later she did remember me, and upon bringing me my pot of hot tea said my meal was on her. She re-iterated the comp when she did not leave a check on her last visit.

    This put me in an uncomfortable position. My first inclination was to leave a tip equal to the one I normally left plus what I knew the bill would be, but this might well backfire if management perceived it as a ploy on her part to pocket the charge for the meal, so I scratched it. Instead I milked my pot of tea until she passed by again and motioned her to sit down at the table, which she did. I explained that there was no harm, hence no foul; I got what I ordered with only a slight and understandable delay, but she would have none of it. Eventually, and this is my point, I had to capitulate lest further resistance be seen as a rejection of a gift. On my way out, however, I did tip her the usual amount, putting it directly in her hand and saying, "I'm not taking 'No' as an answer," thereby going between the horns of the dilemma.
     
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  10. TDVegas, Apr 2, 2018

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    Good point. I've been tipped on bubble craps rolls and my first instinct is to turn some of it over to the cocktail waitress..but the reality is the tipper wants you to have it, not anyone else. If it happens again...I'll keep it all and then throw the waitress a few bucks at another time as opposed to giving it to her right there. I'm not talking huge tips either...generally token tips to me over 5+ years on the bubble.

    I'm reminded of the Seinfeld episode where Jerrys grandmother would send him $10 checks for his birthday....which he never cashed.

    Kramer: "this is tantamount to a slap in the face".
     
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  11. DeMango, Apr 2, 2018

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    When the spirit of stupid comes upon me, I will occasionally make a three way Hard Way bet. Works as a great jinx on the shooter. I will tell the dealer; "Put too much pressure on him"
     
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    I don't like player to player tipping. Always makes me uncomfortable. The crew gets tips because they are working for the customer. I'm not working for the other customers nor are they working for me. Though our interests are often aligned, they aren't always.

    Been at a few carnival tables where a player has hit a big hand and want to give everyone else at the table a green chip or so. Not exactly the same situation, but similar. I always say thank you but politely decline. When they've insisted I've passed it on to the dealer.
     
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    Somebody with money burning a hole in his pocket walks up to the table in the middle of my shooting and puts $300 on each of the hop 7's. The people around me said, "Don't shoot the 7!". I'm like, if he was gonna give me half of his winnings I'd throw a 7, but the people around me said "He ain't gonna do that!" so I said well, I'm not shooting a 7 then. So I rolled an 8 and made the point. He could have at least waited for a come-out roll. Maybe he had a $10,000 problem and couldn't care less, except to give it back to the house instead of tipping shooters.
     
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  14. basicstrategy777, Nov 27, 2018

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    Talking about tipping reminds me of a story:......Vegas...place is packed....blackjack table is full up..25 dollar table.........this dude is on a hot streak and winning .......one of the 'boys' is standing behind the dude.......pinky ring......60 gage ceegar....silk white shirt......kill cocharoaches in the corner shoes......walks up behind the dude and says " You got a problem if I play behind you ?"....dude says OK.......Guido puts 2 large behind the dudes 25 dollar bet.......the dude gets dealt 2 kings against the dealers 6......when the dealer gets to the dude, the dude looks over his shoulder and sees Guido with a big smile.......the dude says to him...." give me 100 bucks or I take a card."......

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    too funny basic.

    I do remember when resorts opened in AC, not sure of date, but we went there with my fil(the man was a living pisser when it came to casinos, hed make you laugh even if you lost)
    It was so crowded, and anyone from the east coast who remembers, people would stand in back of blackjack seats hoping the player in seat left, sometimes waiting hours. sometimes 2 fold in back of you.
    I waited 40 minutes, got a seat at a 15 dollar table, and I had this one guy, and he was triple my size, asked me if he could bet with me.
    I felt bad for him, I know how uncomfortable it is to stand around waiting for a spot, so I said, sure, but Im playing, so you live and die with me and that's that or don't play here.
    He agreed, he saw I played a basic strategy.

    so now we start winning a few dollars, he starts pushing his bets to 50, 60, 75 a hand.

    I pull a soft 17, dealers is showing a 7, so I pull. right move or not, I pull a card and in that 3 seconds when I made that decision, he went ballistic, yelling no, no don't pull, don't pull!!!!
    I pulled a 2 or 3, dealer pulls 21 and he curses at me, this after I had a nice run, he didn't curse at me , just said I think you need to take some fucking lessons.

    I was end, so without pulling the table knew the dealer beat us all anyway, so I didn't hurt anyone else.
     
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  16. The Midnight Skulker, Nov 27, 2018

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    Have to admit I would not have thought of that. The only time I had a guy tag along was way, way back in my pre-craps, serious blackjack days. He was an Asian fellow playing in the spot to my immediate left and losing while I was winning. Without saying a word (to me, he did make a comment to a presumed friend behind him) he puts a bet next to mine for the same amount. I forget the cards -- this was over 50 years ago after all -- but the situation called for a double down. I suppose I should have explicitly asked him what he wanted to do but I didn't; I only hesitated and matched his bet as well when he remained motionless. We won the hand and I claimed all but his bet and its payoff, sliding that over to his spot. He racked it and I think must have left since he did not piggy back me again.
     
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  17. basicstrategy777, Nov 27, 2018

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    Liman....you made the correct play.......a hint that you made the correct play is that some casinos have changed their rules and on the table written for all to see is..."dealer hits on soft 17"....why do you think they changed that rule ?

    In my blackjack book I say this about a player being dealt a soft 17......" With the ace, 6 hand ( soft 17)........There are only 15 cards that would help...four 4's...four 3's...four 2's...and 3 aces..... But there are another 16 cards that won't help but also won't hurt.....10's........if you draw a 10 you still have a total of 17......That leaves 19 bad cards in the deck; they won't bust you but will convert your hand to a low hard total. Unlike a hard 17, you cannot break when drawing a card to a soft 17. This is one reason why you need separate rules for soft hands. You ALWAYS draw to a soft 17...and when the dealer shows 3,4,5,6 you double down.

    Liman, that guy behind you was a smuck and didn't know shit from shinola...you made the corrct textbook play.

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  18. Mssthis1, Nov 27, 2018

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    Yep, that and the average dealer hand is 18.3. if you was dealt 17 every hand you'd lose money.

    When the wife and I first started playing together she didn't know the proper play for soft seventeen. First time it occurred at a live table I told her to "hit it until it's hard".

    She still uses that line.
     
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    This guy is the reason they give problem gamblers a phone number to call at the end of a casino commercial.
     
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  20. basicstrategy777, Nov 27, 2018

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    That's a great line.

    People don't realize that, mathematically, an 18 is a losing hand.....also a soft 18 , when to hit, stand, double down ....is probably the the toughest soft hand to play.

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