Craps Strategy: Al Kaufman's 444

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  1. KokomoJoe4, Dec 14, 2016

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    James,

    I know what you mean. I am also playing with my wife's money. ;)
     
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  2. TG Parker, Dec 15, 2016

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    I don't have enough experience with Craps to tell you whether or not his 444 "method" works or not.

    It might be a novel idea to run his "444 System" in WinCraps to see how long it takes to self-destruct. LOL

    However in my own dealings with Al Kaufman, he is a TOTAL FRAUDSTER, A LIAR, AND A CROOK.

    If you are foolish enough to pay him any money like I was, all you will receive from him are the original MP4 files that were used for the FREE PUBLIC YouTubes.

    When I called him to complain about this scam. He was living in Florida, selling some kind of weird health insurance scam. When I asked him where he was playing Craps. He said he was "retired". He then went on to try to "Up-Sell" me for a $500 private Craps lesson. Then he tried to recruit me for his wacko health insurance scam. So much for a self-proclaimed millionaire Las Vega Craps Guru. I had to file a Paypal dispute in order to get my money back. Paypal did refund my money. Oh well I've learned my lesson the hard way. LOL :)
     
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    well, if you live in florida, Im sure craps lessons don't make you any money.
    makes sense he started selling some kind of health insurance.
    Its gods waiting room, and insurance policies for seniors are so difficult to grasp these days, Im sure whoever this guy is hes doing much better selling insurance than he ever did selling craps lessons.

    I hope others read what you posted.

    speaks volumes about the sales of expert craps players.
     
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  4. TG Parker, Dec 15, 2016

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    It's amazing what the real identities of these so-called Las Vegas Millionaire Craps Gurus actually turn out to be...

    For instance, I discovered that John Boender, who has a website: http://crapsmoney.com/ where he sells Craps Instruction DVDs, claims to be a Las Vegas Craps Dealer, is REALLY a substitute school teacher in Colchester, VT. LOL :):D:p:)

    I tried to order "LEARN TO PLAY CRAPS VOL 1. " via the website on 12/6/16. As of today still undelivered. No order acknowledgment. No shipping confirmation. No Tracking number. Sent John Boender 6 emails. No answer. Filed Paypal dispute for a refund.

    More exposés to follow...
     
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  5. basicstrategy777, Dec 15, 2016

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    Tip #17.....Put a small inverted comb in your wallet with teeth facing out.......it will be very hard for someone trying to lift it without it snagging.

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  6. Craps Poopshoot, Dec 15, 2016

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    Thanks for the update on Al Kaufman. That he has 'retired' from Craps is very telling...He is not the only old timer Craps player I know who has 'retired' from the game and moved away from Vegas for other ventures.

    His methods, like The Craps Lesson require that the dice be balanced and that the seven is not showing up more frequently that it should, nor craps numbers are more frequent either. If either is true, then neither method will go very far and lead the practitioners of the methods suffering from staggering losses.

    Martingales can be very powerful for the gambler, and often the key method to constantly win, however as to when to employ a martingale is really an Art of Gambling sort of skill, where only experience though trial and error can give you the insight in to that.

    I personally do not use any of the Gambling Professors methods, they simply do not work in today's' casino environments.
     
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  7. Craps Poopshoot, Dec 15, 2016

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    A lot of these Gurus, like Frank Scoblete or Steven 'Heavy' Haltum, are coming from a position of out-dated information and ignorance about current conditions.

    • The dice tables these days are far more bouncy than in the past. The casino does this to ensure randomness.
    • The dice themselves are unbalanced in such ways as to further ensure randomness, though this unbalance at times can cause the dice to be biased to certain numbers as a unintended consequence.
    You don't have to believe me, I actually don't want you to believe me. Just come to Vegas and watch the dice tables yourself - you will see for yourself what is going on then understand why these Craps Gurus don't live in Vegas and don't play Craps more than six times a year!
     
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  8. wonko33, Dec 15, 2016

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    This statement makes very little sense
     
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  9. Twelve4s, Dec 15, 2016

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    Then why does SR, Harley, Snake, and ???______, all live in Vegas and play so much, they know what tables produce what numbers and what casinos use bias dice and what times they use them. Why haven't these guys moved to Mesa, where the real players live?
     
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  10. TDVegas, Dec 15, 2016

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    The scams that are run in this town...make your head spin. Legendary. Then you have the scams run by people claiming to live here..but are elsewhere.

    I would run from any individual offering to "sell" me gambling lessons. All you need to know about craps can be learned for free..right here on the Internet. You don't need any guru, Svengali, mentor charging you.
     
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  11. Twelve4s, Dec 15, 2016

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    Walk up to a real craps game, admit you are new to the game. You will get more help than you can handle, in most casinos.
     
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  12. TDVegas, Dec 15, 2016

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    It's not a difficult game. Took me 3 minutes and $0 to find a 3 point Molly...and I'll put that play up against any $700/hour craps lesson/strategy from the gurus.
     
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  13. KokomoJoe4, Dec 15, 2016

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    A bigger problem for them is actually more a function of not knowing the structure of the dice, but selling on-axis bullshit to the folks when in fact it ain't happening. It is NOT as simple as 16/36 = 44.4%.
     
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  14. TDVegas, Dec 15, 2016

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    The reality is there is no one coming from a "position" of "up-dated" information. All claims in this realm are simply anecdotal reporting. One guru to the next...no one has updated or outdated information beyond a simple self proclamation saying so. Some say table conditions are better here. Some say better there.

    Who has updated information and what determines that the information is current or updated on dice control?, advantage play? or anything subjective like this? Facts are facts---casino offers, odds offered, new table felt...things like that. Beyond that, vanilla is better than chocolate.
     
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  15. lone irish digit, Dec 15, 2016

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    Don't know what the problem is with Kaufman's strategies. I ran with him briefly in Vegas in the 80's as I remember and he taught me all I know about DI.

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  16. Twelve4s, Dec 15, 2016

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    I guess that explains this,

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  17. lone irish digit, Dec 15, 2016

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    A bucks victory was great but I'm still trying to beat this friggen cold I caught afterwards.
     
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  18. DeMango, Dec 15, 2016

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    I corrected your post. On axis RESULTS happen 44.44% of the time. Just like a seven RESULTS happens 16.67% of the time. If it does not my friend, either one, that can make you money if you know the anomaly and bet it properly.
     
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  19. KokomoJoe4, Dec 15, 2016

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    DM,

    Simply let us agree to disagree.

    Having learned the anatomy of the dice, it is perfectly clear to me that 576 distinct outcomes exist, which must be defined with reference to one of the three axial dimensions, x, y or z.

    As I know that you know how to identify and define let's say your all sevens set in terms of the horizontal axis of rotation, and since I also know you practice tossing the dice, try the following exercise:

    Let's say your set of choice is [2] [5] TOP and [6] [1] LOOKING AT YOU.

    Axial arrangement is therefore 4:3 and 4:3. Set-up is one of MANY permutations in the horizontal sixes, and obviously a seven-heavy arrangement.

    What is so difficult about tossing the dice from this set a number of times, checking and recording not only your RESULT but also your AXIAL ARRANGEMENT at each outcome?

    After doing so, tell me how close you are to 44.4% on-axis.
     
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