DI On Axis- most important component

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  1. Dave G Ct, May 8, 2020

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    Casinos will soon be opening . Time to get back on track. Been spending time on my tossing which of course it is an " On Axis" approach. DM has given me some advice into areas I never put much thought into.

    With On Axis what is The Most Important Element with respect to your throw? Your grip is important but if your dice are flying decent you can probably get away with an average grip. Landing zone? In general area no big deal. Trajectory? Few inches here or there I am not sweating it. Speed? Yes you can use too much energy but sometimes speed will work for you.
    Now tracking true to the back wall is definitely important and goes to how your dice land. Tossing with a LEVEL RELEASE is the most important facet. Why with a 3-V or 2-V set one die going off axis may result in a 7 out. Keep release level your dice will land truer and of course track well.

    However keeping it level is the toughest task!
     
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    Awesome, back to good stuff like so-called DI.

    DI On Axis- most important component.............is recognizing that the result obtained at outcome, which MUST be one of eleven numbers between 2 and 12, has a 2.78% chance of being on-axis, by definition of what is meant by the term "on-axis."
     
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  3. lone irish digit, May 8, 2020

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    This is Barney

    During this terrible times of casino closure, much like Mr Dave Guacamole, the LID too has returned to lessons from true meisters of on the axes overhand tossing. Before Sharpshooter, Heavies, Supperick, MP and even the Sydney was the Mr Ames personage who had perfected the fundamentals of on the axes overhand tossing over 40 years ago.



     
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  5. DeMango, May 8, 2020

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    By your definition, and that fool in Kansas, not the definition of craps di's nationwide and their coaches. Why insisting the world is flat is beyond comprehension.

    We throw our dice on a preselected axis of two dice. 16 ending combinations result on that axis, therefore they are on axis. It does not matter how they got there. It's what the casino pays.
     
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  6. Dave G Ct, May 8, 2020

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    Right we pay on outcomes. You ever notice these DI naysayers spend an unbelievable amount of time counting the number of angels on a pin head?
     
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  7. KokomoJoe4, May 10, 2020

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    The 3V was the Admiral's favorite set, possibly set as 3 top/1 looking at you, 3 top/5 looking. Possibly set three other ways. Whatever, set them as you wish, but note the set used.

    Anyone, including me, the fool in Kansas, craps di's nationwide, their coaches, and all others, can take a look at these definitions and decide for themselves.

    There is not now nor ever has been any dispute over how winning bets are paid or losing bets are collected.

    What is under discussion is whether a [5][1] result obtained out of the 3V is on-axis. Apparently coaches of nationwide so-called di's would say yes. The mid-western fool would say more information is needed, but likely off-axis.

    The question is not whether the place bet six is paid. The question is, is the outcome on-axis?

    The answer to this question depends not only on the numbers showing on top (y-axis), but on both this AND on numbers showing on front (z-axis),

    Because of the well known fact that opposite sides of dice always add to seven, if we know the numbers in the y and z axis of each die, we also know the x-axis numbers.

    We were paid (oops) $7 on our 5:1 winner, which showed as 5 top/6 looking, 1 top/2 looking.

    When I rotate the dice around this "winning, on-axis result", the question I ask, if thinking this is on-axis is: Where the fuck is the hard six I started with?
     
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    One of those hard six die could have rolled one extra full revolution and ended up in that hardway! Just be happy and get paid with a smile!
     
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    Excellent explanation. But the thing is a disciplined DI knowing how to set and throw 'em AND sticking to pass line bets will win at bank craps close to 48.6% of the time! Whereas Chunkers making the very same bets as the DI will "ALWAYS" be battling a 1.41% house advantage.
     
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    Knew I should always carry a pair of dice to work to answer these questions, will get back to you later. But years of hard work have paid off, random not I, and the math to back that up.
     
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    Well I'm home, picked up a pair, set them to your parameters, BDOA! Both die off axis! Lucky you, if they had been set on hard ways, 5's on top, 4's facing, it would have been six one, no fun!
     
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    You had better check your math. The chunkier wins 49.3% of the time. He will lose 50.7% of the time. The differance, is the H/E. where did you learn your math? TDVegas? :confused: :cool:
     
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  13. Dave G Ct, May 14, 2020

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    Nice practice hand today.Startedboff off axis 10. Then 5 hard 10' s in the next 8 rolls followed by an An axis four then a hard 4. Gee a lot of hardways with the V -2. Just keeping game on auto lol
     
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  14. lone irish digit, May 14, 2020

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    This is Barney

    Inspirational trip report. DM and new mattress paying big dividends. Can't wait for the next report...
     
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  15. Dave G Ct, May 14, 2020

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    DM a big help .Tossing level biggest nuget from Los Alamos!
     
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  16. Linaway, May 25, 2020

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    In other words demangledmind what you're saying is all DIs are fools ready and able to spend their money on ignorance of the Hexahedrons! You cannot have it both ways and that is saying your Directional yet you will accept as the rule totally random outcomes. You best cease drinking Heavy's koolaid ! As for Koko this man has intelligence in many fields. Just so happens one of them is Dice Property Knowledge which you and those like you have little of.

    So this fool of Kansas bids you good day. Nice to have bad-mouthed you.
    Just so you know who this is...

    LINAWAY LINAWAY LINAWAY LINAWAY LINAWAY LINAWAY LINAWAY
    The craps world is watching you demangledmind, BEWARE!
     
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  17. DeMango, May 25, 2020

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    Didn't read the garbage, it's always garbage. No need to put you on ignore, I can put up with you posting once in 6 months. But riddle me this Batman, can you name one di that is primarily using your brilliant analysis to make a living playing craps? We are waiting!
     
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  18. Linaway, Jun 8, 2020

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    Howdy Demangled. I see your jaws are jacking again spouting gibberish. To answer your question is easy. I don't rely on anybody to follow me. I found over the years the BS artists doing their carnival barking has screwed up many minds. Like yours for instance. If it wasn't for your den daddy and BT you would be lost. Still what they have led you to believe is purely of their opinion.

    While I'm here, I need to tell two of my great friends of many years Good Morning. Kokomojoe4 and Basicstrategy777. Two of the best this board has . As for my posting here, can't see why I would the way the waters are muddied. I stop by to see how my friends are doing. Love to heckle you. You're easy to excite.
     
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  19. DeMango, Jun 8, 2020

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    A civil reply! Thank you for that. But you did not answer my question. You have mentioned two friends here who are gamblers. Either they do not use your system or still do but it is a failed mechanism. For you to have any credibility, there must be successful students.
     
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  20. Bases loaded, Jun 8, 2020

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    I'm only poking my nose in here to say, please keep the discussion going.

    The pandemic, the riots, and the election are wearing me out.

    More DICE talk!
     
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