Yes let's take one of Heavy's classes in Biloxi, Mi.A new student taking the 2 day package.for $947 or somewhere around that number. Airfare from Hartford $730- car rental $100 or so.Hotel $160 _ 2 nights.Food - $150 or so Total outlay- roughly close to $2000. That is a significant investment.I am in advertising.You invest $2000 you expect a return of $14000.- 7 times your outlay. So what can the student expect to realize in his ROI? First like in business there is no guarantee of success.You may miss your target market, product bad reviews, competitor responses.So the dice player has NO guarantees of success. If you are a red chip poster- forget it.It could take years to recoup that investment.Green chip- possible but unlikely.Black chip- doable- then again how many high rollers are taking the class? ....Heavy's own words - 80℅ of attendees do not improve their game- maybe they do not practice or fall into unwise betting strategies.But for the average player you will take a big hit.I said before You Have To Have The Talent! It cannot be taught. I am not even getting into those After Glow Fees.Heavy charges them to keep away the Lookie Loos? Did you ever hear anything so stupid? Now if you want to spend the money to rub shoulders with other forum members and Heavy - fine I can see that.But a return on investment? Can we all say " Ain't Going To Happen"