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Discussion in 'Dice Influencing' started by Cherokdice, Feb 15, 2013.
Which is the best ? Does it matter ? Thanks in Advance ! CherokeeDice
The best grip is the one which works for YOU.
The best set is the one which works for YOU and your grip.
Not everyone's hands are the same, not everyone's muscle control is the same, not everyone's arm movements are the same.
Through hours and hours(hundreds) of throwing practice, using Bone Tracker, you will find the one that is best for YOU.
The idea behind your grip and throw is to not necessarily hit your numbers on axis, but to simply avoid the 7. During your practices and casino time, you will find your signature numbers, and will, therfore know how to bet on yourself during your throw(toss). If your signature numbers are 5/8/9, based on your grip and consistent throw, then you only bet on those numbers. If a 4 and 10 hit during your throw, well, a tree fell in the forest and no one heard it. Stick with your signature numbers and stay with that for your throw.
For every other thrower, bet the Don'ts !!!
I have been working hard on getting the dice to stick together , but I am really struggling in that department thought that a dice gripper might straighten that out for me . They either tilt or one lags behnd. Thanks for your repsonse makes a lot of sense.
I believe that the Dice Coach - Beau Parker - hawks a " dice gripper " @ http://www.dicecoach.com -
Basically all dice are +/- 3/4" square -
If you use a 3 Finger Front grip -
THEY say to have your 3 fingers even across the dice approx. 1/4" down from the top edge -
THAT would equate to your fingers being 1/2" even above the table top -
Why not save yourself a few $ and place a piece of 1/2 " thick material directly in front of ( the away from you side ) of the dice -
That would get your fingers aligned evenly across the dice at the recommended depth -
Your thumb placement is usually below your fingers -
From 1/2 way down the back of the dice to all the way down -
Depending how much backspin you are looking to impart on the dice -
The lower your thumb - the more backspin applied to the dice -
Personally, I shoot from the Straight Out position -
My middle finger is approx. 1/4 " below the edges of the dice - and my thumb approx. centered vertically and horizontally on the back of the dice -
My pointer and ring fingers, however, are on the top diagonal edges of the dice -
They are there for the sole purpose of adding " stability " to the toss -
What you will find if you encounter a one die leading / one die lagging scenario is one of your fingers ( pointer or ring ) -
Is not on the same level as the 2 others -
This a very common problem with the 3FF grip -
I avoided that problem by placing those 2 problem fingers on the edge / diagonals of the dice !
Hope this answers your question and solves your problem !
On another note - the dice MUST be level / parallel to the table top during the entire course of your throw -
I throw from the table top with the dice against the bottom of the back rubber -
This ensures that the dice are square to the back wall and the table !
P.S. You do NOT need a dice gripper - it is a crutch that can NOT be used in a casino and you will become accustomed to using it - and then lost without it !
Just wanted to say that I like the gripping advice you gave on this forum. I took notes. Sometimes reading a member's insight and details can shed new light on a problem area. I want to get more experience/practice at the tables shooting from the straight out position. I've become too comfortable shooting from SR1 and rarely from SL1. I have to wait too long sometimes for my favorite spot at the table, so I need to work on shooting from different positions.
Appreciate your input as well as other members,
The reasons that you state were my incentive to seek alternate shooting positions -
Most people tend to migrate to the near stick positions -
Regardless of their capabilities -
At present my play is relegated to the 12' tables -
However, as such , I am restricting MY shooting opportunities by 50% in the AC area -
The more positions that you are comfortable shooting from opens up that many more doors for you -
Woe be to those who are relegated to only 1 or 2 positions !
Although I do not like to - I can shoot from any position -
Matter of fact - I originally sought SL 2-3 spots -
But now do SO North to block for Linda !
In regards to the which grips is best.
First some grips might be impossible for you due to hand size big or small.
Try all of them unit you can find one that keeps the dice as close as possible in flight. It all starts right there.
A tip I learned from golf - make sure your practice grip pressure is the same as the one you use in the casinos. Its amazing how small of increase in pressure can send the dice out in two directions.
I have used a 5 finger grip - super light pressure - two fingers on the front leading edge (not face) - the other two fingers /one finger on each side - and thumb on 1/4 way down on the back. Once in a great - great while my dice will come short/early because my pressure was too light.
Just remember the three "C's" of a good grip:
A dice gripper is the best thing you can do for your throw. I got
mine when I got lessons from koganinja777. If you give it the time
it deserves it will payoff in spades. I know a few camps sell them but
I have to say kogas is bar none! It is a total work of art and it really
does work. I know his is alot more expensive than the others but it is
worth it. I know it has been said they are a crutch, my response is that
is so far from the truth. The gripper is made to help you build in muscle
memory in your fingers so your fingers know what to do when you play
in a casino. A gripper of any kind will work but I'm telling you kogas
is really good, he has hit a home run with its design.
Picture of a dice gripper
I toss using a seemingly unorthodox stacked grip. Launching the dice while they lightly come off my thumb. I get adequate results.
I compare DI to sports like golf, bowling, & basketball. NBA players cant hit all their free-throws, bowlers dont always throw strikes, and Golfers don't always hit it straight down the fairway.
Practice. It's the best thing to do to increase your percentages.
Those gripp blocks seem cool, I definitely would like to try one out. If I only knew a kid in a wood-shop class to give the specs to.
I've been shooting from 2 other positions during the past couple of months. I have really become comfortable shooting from straight out at either end of the table. My favorite used to be SR1, but I love the challenge of shooting SO. I just returned home from the casino a couple hours ago. I had a couple of decent rolls. I shot from SO and rolled 16 times before I 7'd out. A buddy of mine kept track.
Rocket Scientry this is NOT -
The dice are 3/4" x 3/4" -
Ideally you would endeavour to grip the dice a 1/4" down from the top -
3/4" - 1/4" = 1/2" -
Therefore, in a block of wood at least 1" thick -
You would want to rout a slot 3/4" wide X 1/2" deep -
You can make the block long and cut it into approx. 3- 4 " lengths -
Thereby making quite a few grippers at one time -
And either go into business selling them or go into " give it away " -
The bill is in the mail -
Now I have to wheel-out my table saw sometime this week, and start cutting.
A nice OAK Gripper would be nice, no?
With a little mirror in an angled slot, running the length of it. :coolsmile:
NO need to dust off YOUR table saw -
MINE is always UP -
I can do THAT if YOU seriously are looking for those -
AND I also happen to have an abundance of 4/4 White Oak in house !
AND we also do glass !
I guess you could say we're all just trying to "get a grip!". :lol:
My grip is thumb on outside. Pointer finger in front seam. Bird finger on outside. Using a soft grip. Seems like less friction on release. Dice remain together mostly. I have tried the 3 fingers in front thumb in back. But I have way too much separation. Fav. Spot is SR1-2 SL1-2.. What disadvantages with my grip?
YOU are using the ' Icetong ' Grip -
With an adaption to ensure that your dice are ' squared up ' -
I take it 1 step further by placing my ' ring ' finger behind - at the rear seam -
THIS ensures ALL is squared up -
IF you start your toss flat and square at the table felt -
RELEASE your pointer and ring fingers WELL before release -
THEY are only there to insure ' squareness ' -
Your " touch / feel" is now with your thumb and middle finger -
You can vary the ' revs ' by where you grip with your fingers on the sides of the dice -
AND if you vary your wrist angle upon picking up the dice -
Linda is being weaned of the UH toss to this ' Ice Tong ' toss by me -
From close in - even SO - this grip can be quite effective -
BUT YOU need to experiment with it and practice it !