Dice related Question #1: Dice setting, DC and DI

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  1. KokomoJoe4, Sep 30, 2021

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    As succinctly as possible, please explain what YOU THINK is meant by the terms DC and DI. For help with your answers, do DI and DC mean the same thing? If not, explain how they differ. Finally, WHETHER or not you are "a believer" in this "dark art", HOW and WHY do you set the dice as you do?
     
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  2. random_roller, Oct 1, 2021

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    DI = das ist. Could also be Desert Inn, drug interaction, disability insurance, drill instructor among others.

    DC = Dick Clark, Diet Coke, direct current, data center, dot com, even District of Columbia. Lots of other possibilities, too, including Dunedin Casino (Dunedin, New Zealand).

    If you put together a Venn Diagram of the above, it appears there is no overlap. Worth noting -- it has been alleged by one of the groups that members of the other faction ride a short bus.

    I set the dice to confuse them. Also -- little known phenomenon -- sometimes it leads to better cards at the baccarat table, but sometimes it doesn't.
     
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  3. KokomoJoe4, Oct 1, 2021

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    DOUBLE LIKE. IMO no more need be said on the matter of the Desert Inn and/or Diet Coke.

    Ah, but the both of us be non-believers.

    Finally, there is NOTHING wrong with being a believer. IN FACT, our discussions of these so-called "differences between the camps" WILL LEAD TO SOME ENLIGHTENMENT for people on both sides of this issue.

    You said it much better than I could RR, so I am very much interested in hearing from MANY on the other side.
     
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  4. KokomoJoe4, Oct 1, 2021

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    Obviously RR, the BEST part of your response is the effect of your dice set upon those damn cards.

    ROTFLMAO.................................................
     
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  5. random_roller, Oct 1, 2021

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    Thank you kind sir, lol. Absolutely nothing wrong with being a believer in DI / DC. A believer can practice setting dice & shooting at home all he/she wants. It's his/her money, time, and belief.

    I believe the game is random as it applies to me, myself and I when (collectively) we have the dice. That being said, there *might* be a few shooters who defy the obstacles and are able to exert a very small amount of influence (whatever the "cause", be it DI, variance, luck, the Force, etc.) over a long(er) period of time. If so, great for them. Hopefully a few are regulars at Rivers Casino locations, right?
     
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  6. TDVegas, Oct 1, 2021

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    Yes. The end goal for DI or DC is you are “skewing” random into non random, IMO.

    If it’s done in a manner that is predictable, then a player could play craps at an advantage.

    It’s mathematics….in both (same) cases. What number is being skewed?

    Whether you want to call that DI or DC….I don’t care.

    I believe Scoblette felt the same way. Interchangeable terms. Semantics.

    I think the term “dice control” started taking on a meaning that the “fathers” of dice control never intended. Many started thinking it meant you could “control” or “dial up” a specific number or combination.
     
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  7. DeMango, Oct 2, 2021

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    Control means control. Here, watch me roll a twelve: BAM! Influence means skewed probability. This has been discussed for decades, there is the collective answer. Even Scoblete had to be retrained. In all probability Scobete was being a sensationalist, and knew the difference.
     
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    For tempting people to purchase books and classes on wining at the craps table dice control was a great slogan. I’m not a believer in “controlling” the dice. However I admit I’d like to be a player at the table where someone could roll nothing but 12’s until his/her arm fell off, never rolling a 7, I’d make a ton…

    Dice influencing, or what I think of as “being influenced by the dice” is many things IMO. High level I will not decide set or betting until I see what is occurring with the dice at the table I’m playing (table conditions). Table conditions influence how I proceed. Only after familiarizing myself with the table will I’ll choose the usual suspects, set and betting.

    HOW and WHY do I set the dice as I do? Both are dictated by table conditions. I don’t have one set. I pay particular attention to (what some consider as “snake oil”) dice outcomes and allow outcomes to influence my set and my play.
     
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  9. yacraps, Oct 2, 2021

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    [email protected]#$king Roller ..neat post..... todays game should be interesting with the Scarlet Knights
     
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    People use DI & DC interchangeably. It means a player setting the dice in a specified manner & tossing them in a particular repeated motion. Purpose is to try to avoid the 7. May work or may not. Can't hurt can it?
     
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  11. KokomoJoe4, Oct 2, 2021

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    Hmmmmmmmm. This does NOT AT ALL sound like a DI/DC speaking, does it?

    I want to hear more from this Dave G Ct guy.
     
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  12. Mssthis1, Oct 2, 2021

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    I use the industrial automation definitions.

    Between shots the stick person is the dice controller and influencer. Once and a while the box person will QC for a bit and fondle the dice or change the dice. They always go to the stick afterwards.

    Once the stick person sends them the shooter is the dice controller and influencer.

    When the dice make initial contact with the table, the table becomes the dice controller and influencer. The shooter and the stick man have no control or influence after contact with the table is made until the result is called, Sometimes the box may QC here and call no roll. Then it goes to the stick and the process is repeated.
     
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    Bingo! Mssthis1 has ALWAYS impressed me with his words of wisdom.
     
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    The decision to use 'control' (rather than 'influence') was likely no accident. He was pretty good at marketing his books and in that vein, 'control' was far more alluring & powerful to his target audience.
     
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    Frank must be enjoying retirement.

    Eating well.:eek:
     
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    Ohio State 14, at Rutgers 0 with 11:33 left in the 1st quarter.
     
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  17. KokomoJoe4, Oct 2, 2021

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    Pitt Panthers 52 - GT Yellowjackets 21 ! Perhaps a top 25 team?
     
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    If memory serves, Western Michigan went on the road and beat Pitt...
     
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    Ohio State playing with a chip on its shoulder. Bad news for the Scarlet Letters, er, Knights.

    Ohio State 38, at Rutgers 6 with 4:46 left in the 2nd quarter.
     
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    I read once by that Florida rumor monger DC was short for dummyfied critter and DI was dimwitted individual. You know the guy that likes to sing his praises of wizards living in Kansas.
     
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