Dice Setting Made Easy...Easy With Some Pracrice

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  1. Pressit, Nov 13, 2017

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    Dice setting does not mean you’ll not POS. Dice setting doesn’t mean you’ll necessarily make the numbers associated with a dice set. Consistency in your toss, being able to read what the table is giving you for a certain dice set, and making the correct adjustments to your toss, this and a number of other factors may help put $$$ in your pocket. Just my opinion, it is better to use specific dice sets than not.

    Just about every shooter at the craps table these days sets the dice, or they attempt to set the dice. Not sure if a study was ever conducted on dice sets, but my guess is most new shooters tend to use a Hardway set.

    Several years ago I was at the Bellagio on a Saturday night, the table was packed. I was at SR1, and the guy beside me at SR2 was passed the dice. He picked up one die turned it this way and that, then went to the other die, same routine, then look at them, then he began the turning twisting rountine all over. 30 seconds went by when the Stick leaned over to me and asked what was he looking for, and which time the poor guy out of total frustration, embarrassment just toss the dice, he then 7 out on the next roll.

    I am sure most of you know that opposite sides of the die always adds up to 7: 1-6, 2-5, 3-4. Now to set a HW, you only need to move 1 die. In my case the left die tells me what I need to do with the right die. I just now dropped the dice on the coffee table, my left die has a 3 on top and a 1 facing me, call it a 3-1 set. My right die is a 6-2 set, 6 on top and, 2 facing me. The challenge is to locate the 3 on the right die, and place it correctly on top of the left die to form the HW set.

    Since we know that opposit sides of a die always adds up to 7, in this case the 3 on the right die can only be located on the axel, or the sides. Just pickup the right die and turn it 1/4 turn either right or left, and you’ll see either a 3 or a 4. Once we have the right die with the 3 on top place it directly on top of the left die, and then turn the top die until you have like numbers on top and bottom facing you, you now have a HW set. I know what you are thinking, but that is not the HW set I was looking to use. Ok, no problem. Since we already have a stacked HW set, all you have to do is take the top die place along side the left die, and make the needed correction to form your particular HW set. Once you get this down, it will take some practice, you’ll be able to make the HW set of your liking well below 5 seconds. This works equally well if you are looking to make an all 7 set.

    Here is a Youtube video on dice setting made easy, especially for the 2V and 3V sets. Again you can do this 75% of the time by only moving one die, and do it under 5 seconds once you do some practicing. FYI, this guys sells craps related products, but this is free to watch and informative.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=4s&v=d5AaoNGPY9c


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  2. DeMango, Nov 13, 2017

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    I lasted one minute. Noticed Koga Kola had a video, 6 minutes shorter. Didn't go there either. And it's Point Seven Out (PSO) not Piece of Shit (POS)! More coffee.
     
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  3. Pressit, Nov 13, 2017

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    I would expect more from a self proclaimed pro like yourself. All that knowledge and you are not willing to share.
     
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  4. superrick, Nov 13, 2017

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    Well, DeMango, it's nice to see that you know everything there is about settings the dice, do we really care that you didn't watch something that could help someone that don't know about setting the dice, hell no!

    Did you ever think that the guy that watched it might be on the same table you are on?
     
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  5. Pressit, Nov 13, 2017

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    Rick, poor DeMsngo is just having a bad day. He doesn’t care for list of people I believe who hold a lot of insight into the game. Had I known he was such a expert I would have included him as well, but I couldn’t find anything he ever posted on the subject of craps that would lead me to believe that.
     
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    I thought they were the same thing? Explain the difference.:).
     
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  7. DeMango, Nov 13, 2017

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    This is an open board. I share quite a bit. On the private closed board.
     
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    Quick HW setting: left die 6-1 axis with the 6 facing left; right die, same thing. Rotate right die to match the number showing on the top of the left die. Done.
     
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    predicting what numbers will show and adjusting your toss so you will know?

    if ANYONE alive could do this at a craps table, uh, whats the use.

    some of you dice setters get upset when someone else questions statements like that above I quoted.
     
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    the day I see a dice setter betting table max or even 300 or 500 hop bets on a certain number, then I will believe someone can figure out what the table is giving you.
    until then, its trash talk. simple trash talk.

    I know what the table is going to give me, well, between 2 and 12, I just have to bet one of them correctly.
     
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  11. tabletop123, Nov 14, 2017

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    Well, I know what the table is gonna give me too. Same thing that it always gives me.....A HARD FUCKING TIME! Lol
     
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  12. DeMango, Nov 14, 2017

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    You mean it didn't take an 18 minute video to figure that out???
     
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  13. Pressit, Nov 14, 2017

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    Me upset? Never. This is the Internet, people can say almost anything they want. Well almost anything, $nakeEye$ did get pretty upset last week before cooler heads thankfully stepped in to calm the waters. The Ignore Button works wonders.

    I thought you switched over to the Bubble, you no longer play table craps do you? Are you still winning 80% of the time. I know several people who have made the switch to BC and have no desire to ever go back playing live Craps. The only downside was learning how to properly operate the machine within the allowed time frame. Initially I thought you were just inflating your 80% win claim on the BC, apparently you and TDV were way ahead of the crowd on this one. Nice work!
     
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    let me be clear, the only time I claimed around70% hits were when the hardway count on the bubble I play in aqueduct on 6 or 8 was very high, usually over 200 with no hard way hit.
    I risk 3-5 hundred over 10 decisions, usually starting with 15 dollars, or 10 dollars if Im still betting at least one other bet.
    and yes, I hit approx. 70 or more % when Im lucky enough to find this situation.
    its rare.

    Ive gone over this with 2 different people from here, live play, and it happened both times well within the 10 decisions, first time it was the first roll, the second time it was within 3 decisions.

    Id like one di shooter to show me anything close to this, and Im not claiming it was anything but pure luck.

    It just happens.

    And Im not claiming Im up so much money from this, as the 3 out of 10 times I lose cost me between 3-5 hundred.

    but anyone who is in the big A and the hard way count on 6 or 8 is over 175, I suggest giving it a go and reporting back, with pics if possible to verify.

    Hard 4 and 10 are also ok, but count has to be real high, well over 200 since I wouldn't go more than 7 decisions.

    and I don't know, I kinda don't keep track of my regular bubble winnings anymore, but Im guessing Im winning 60% or more of the sessions, problem is my wins might not be covering heavy losing sessions, I just don't bother keeping track anymore like I did the first couple of years, and those years were so good I thought I was invincible on the bubble, but like TT says, we get a good nut clipping now and then, the price we all pay.

    but I will play in front of anyone who cares to join me, I don't and wont hide or shy away from anyone who cares to see my play. there are no bad luck vibes from anyone, even if they fucking hate the bubble. voodoo holds no place in dice, live or not.
     
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    btw, I agree with the title of the thread, dice setting made easy, its actually simple to set dice and throw them with a mechanical toss.

    in the end, getting WINNING outcomes doesn't happen by skill of the toss, hold, release, or amount of practice.
     
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  16. DeMango, Nov 14, 2017

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    Yup agree. How is easy. Why is the real question.
     
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    Perhaps, in YOUR infinite KNOWLEDGE / astute WISDOM - YOU would care to enlighten us as to EXACTLY WHAT produces -

    " WINNING outcomes " -

    IF - YOU - care to respond !

    OR - cower behind Mommy Bear !

    $...eE..$
     
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  18. Liman

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    winning outcomes=shooter makes money on his betting strategy and walks away with more bankroll then he started with.
    nothing else matters at a dice table. only whether you win or lose.
    play any system/strategy, throw dice any way you want, if any skill was involved, increased bankroll should be the direct result of it.
    Pretty tosses don't win money.

    and then Im back to if any skill is involved, why aren't bets reflecting that skill. 10-25 dollar bets are not someone showing confidence of a skill.
    certainly not the dice setters I played with in jokers wild, with 2 dollar bets and 1 dollar prop bets.
    nor, the shooters at sunset, gvr, harrahs, who bet table min of 5 dollars.
    nor the 5 dollar dice setters who crammed the 5 dollar table recently at rivers casino while the 10 dollar table was nearly empty.
     
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  19. Pressit, Nov 15, 2017

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    Saw this article, Interblock’s FB page, and remembered you played at this casino just outside Baltimore, MD. This Is obviously the way the game of Craps is heading. No need for DI or dice setting.

    ”We got the big scoop on interblockgaming new electronic Craps. Dice are rolled on the small table by players but the table reads the results and sends the results to the terminals. 2 dealers cover 54 terminals on which the bets are made. So the casino is saving a ton by just 2 dealers working so many players. Cash out anytime by ticket or hand pay
    in cash by casino staff. You do not even have to go to the cashier. The only missing bets are just a few prop bets. There are the standard prop bets. The table also does have hardways. The terminals were packed and several regular craps tables had open spaces. Maryland Live is the only casino in the USA or the UK to have this electronic version of Craps. Players are not allowed to set the dice because the table is so small. 20 seconds to make bets after each roll. Players make the bets on their terminals.
    We predict this game will spread to other casinos quickly as the casinos are saving so much on staffing. Casinos USA podcast Episode 8 will talk about this experience. Podcast Episode 7 will air Wednesday, November 23 on ITunes Store, Stitcher Radio, Spreaker Radio, and MyTunes Radio. It will also be on our website www.casinosusa.net. Happy Thanksgiving!”
     
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  20. TDVegas, Nov 15, 2017

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    The nature of table craps in the 21st century has become a dinosaur. 4 employees to work one table. Constantly shifting, moving, placing and removing bets during the course of action. Time consuming, slow at times....and those chips, all those chips.

    The equivalent of the craps table?....maybe a 1950's gas station where 4 employees jump out...one checks the oil, one on the gasoline, another checking tire pressure and the 4th cleaning your windshield.

    Obviously a bit tongue in cheek....but the point stands. In any other 21st business...the craps table would have been scrapped for alternatives. Well, actually, in some respects it is going downhill.

    Higher minimums, bubble craps, closed tables....are just some of the consequences of a high maintenance game. I expect more changes and versions of craps that cut down on costs.

    If anything, Vegas will be the last stronghold....but it does seem the writing is at least appearing on the wall.
     
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