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  1. obie1

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  2. drjohnny, Aug 4, 2013

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    Sounds a bit like my system except I try to follow the chop after 2 shooters hit a single point and then seven out.

    I'd like to know more specifics...

    1. What bankroll did you start out with?
    2. What is your overall profit now?
    3. How much do you bring to each session?
    4. What is your win goal per session?
    5. What exactly do you bet on and how much?
    6. When the table is ice cold, do you set the dice for 7 and bet against yourself?
     
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  3. Dicerout, Aug 4, 2013

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    Hi obie 1,
    Can you expand a little on "using a “don’t” hedge to cover my “do” bets."?
    Thanks and congrats to your second consecutive 100 wins!
    Best, Dice"r"out
     
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    Drjohhny:

    I usually play from 1 hour to 3 hours and my average win is usually between $100.00 and $460.00 Dollars (U.S.) ... although, as I approached my second consecutive 100 consecutive wins mark, I toned down my betting (played in safe mode)... so as to pass the 100 mark. Today, this mourning, I played a 2 hour session and won $326.00 for win number 146 in a row.

    I use a combination (hybrid) of doey / don't which allows me to play either side of the bet: When the table is positive, I play the "do", when the table's negative I play the "don't", when the table is "choppy": I'll either stop betting and wait for the table to break one way or the other... or I'll continue betting, using a "don't" hedge to cover my "do" bets.

    As far as your questions:

    1) Usually buy in for 1k, but most of the time all I need is 300 to 500.
    2) Presently, since the start of this streak I'm up a decent amount for the year.
    3) I usually bring 1k
    4) No limit on up side (win goal), but I will lock in gains at the 150 mark (I will not fall below 100). If I continue winning more I raise the stop lost amount accordingly.
    5) On an ice cold table, I have bet against myself and have done well doing so.

    Dicerout:

    How do I hedge my bets on a choppy table:
    If Come out roll is a 5, and I feel comfortable playing a $12 6 & 8, then I'll lay the 5 for $30 as a hedge against the appearance of a 7.

    Good Luck,

    obie1
     
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  5. Dicerout, Aug 5, 2013

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    obie:
    I can understand your logic, and it does make a good sense. Are you waiting for come out roll and decide your hedging? How about the come out roll is 4 or 10, and in the case of 6 and 8?
    Please share.
     
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  6. Dicerout, Aug 5, 2013

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    obie1:
    You mentioned the bets strategy on a choppy table, how about a cold table? You just lay the roll number all the way?
    Please share and thanks!
     
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  7. packerfan, Aug 5, 2013

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    obie1:
    Good job on consecutive wins. Could you elaborate on your "switching" strategy? How you decide to reverse play?
    I try to change strategy depending on the table trend but generally rely on a vague feeling without a specific plan.
    Thanks.
     
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    Dice-r-out:

    Yes, I wait for come-out roll and then decide.
    If C.O roll is 4 or 10, If I feel comfortable playing the 6 & 8 for $12 each then I lay the 4 (or 10) C.O. point on the don't pass line for $40.
    If C.O roll is 6 or 8 , If I feel comfortable playing the 5 & 9 for $10 each, then I lay the 6 (or 8) C.O point on the don't pass line for $18 (to mitigate) or $24 (to cover place bets).

    Dice-r-out:
    Packerfan: Thanks,

    If the table is cold: I have, lets say $20 on the don't pass and $10 on the Pass line on the Come Out roll. After Come out roll I lay odds on the don't pass. If after 5 rolls the shooter has not 7-ed out, I remove my lay odds bet from the don't pass line and either let the don't pass stand as is (a $20 don/t pass bet) or some times in the case of the 6 or 8, I will place $10 odds behind the pass line to create a "win-no-lose" situation.

    Good Luck,

    obie1
     
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  9. Dicerout, Aug 5, 2013

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    obie 1:
    Thanks and it is insightful!
    I really like to know the details of it cause this is kind of my way of playing.
    1. You are basically a don't player, am I correct?
    2. If C.O roll is 4 or 10, If I feel comfortable playing the 6 & 8 for $12 each then I lay the 4 (or 10) C.O. point on the "don’t pass line" for $40. What do you mean by that? Aren't you simply lay 4 (or 10)? Or is all your come out roll, you play don't pass and pass line together say $10?
    3. If 6 or 8 is roll, what will you do next? Take it down? or carry on and let it ride but NO pressing?

    "If the table is cold: I have, lets say $20 on the don’t pass and $10 on the Pass line on the Come Out roll. After Come out roll I lay odds on the don’t pass. If after 5 rolls the shooter has not 7-ed out, I remove my lay odds bet from the don’t pass line and either let the don’t pass stand as is (a $20 don/t pass bet) or some times in the case of the 6 or 8, I will place $10 odds behind the pass line to create a “win-no-lose” situation."

    I am impressed by your $20 don't and $10 pass line system. One of my system in hedging is as follow, see you if buy it or not, definitely not a big win, but a drop of water can make a ocean.

    1. For come out roll, please $20 on both don't pass and pass line.
    2. Whatever number is on, place odds on don't pass - in Macau, 6x odds, make $120
    3. Place 5 for $15; 6 and 8 for $24 and a field bet of $5 (try to adds up to $60)
    4. Any three or four number hits (you decide from the shooter, if he good shooter or not) and down all place bet and wait for 7 out.
    5. If 5 or more roll still no 7 out, then take down the don't pass odd for HEDGE situation and wait for the end of the game either 7 out or winner winner chicken dinner.

    Do you think this is a safe way to play?

    Looking forward to anyone comments.
     
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    Dice-r-out:

    1) Am I basically a "don't" better ? , Not necessarily.

    I'm an "If" Player: If the table is positive I play the "dos" Mostly with NO HEDGE. If the Table is cold I play the "don'ts". If the table is choppy I then hedge my bets (if I choose to bet at all).

    I've had sessions where I'm on the "dos" 80% 0f the time and I had sessions where I'm on the "don'ts" 80 % of the time.

    2) Dice-r-out: Your Strategy (as stated in your post) has its merits, but there are a lot of variables (like the house 3.24% edge) that must be considered.

    Good Luck,

    obie1
     
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  11. splicer9, Aug 5, 2013

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    Congratulations on a winning strategy!
    I wonder if you would be willing to share some specifics on the strategy.
    What, specifically, is your "formula" for determining a "hot", "cold" and "choppy" table?

    I have my own definitions of those words but I do not have a formula or algorithm to definitively define them to point of being able to say "Hey, these parameters have been meet so it is now a hot table and I must bet this way, etc.."

    Thank you
     
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    Splicer9: Thanks,

    You want to know what is my "Formula" for determining "hot", "Cold" and "Choppy" Table. ?

    I, for one, would not exactly call my appraisal of determining a; hot, cold or choppy table...as a formula.

    I prefer looking at my determination as "following the indicators"...

    As a rule of thumb:

    If the 7s are appearing within 5 rolls of each other ... it's a negative indicator.

    If the 7s are appearing at 5 rolls between 7s.............it's a neutral indicator.

    If the 7s are appearing at 6 or more rolls between each other... it's a positive indicator.

    I keep track of the indicators and adjust my bets accordingly...

    If there are 2 consecutive negative indicator, it's a "cold" table.

    If their are 2 consecutive positive indicators, it's a positive table... not necessarily "hot" but at least "luke warm" ... "Hot" would suggest many box numbers are coming out during the roll (or series of rolls...) and that would be a matter of opinion as to what is the magic number (of box numbers) that one would use as a criteria for identifiing a roll (or series of rolls) as being a "hot" table.

    And of course: "Choppy" by consensus is defined as when a table is alternating between short rolls (negative indicators) and longer rolls (positive indicators).


    Good Luck,

    Obie1
     
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  13. splicer9, Aug 6, 2013

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    Thank you for that information.
    That of course leads to many more questions lol.

    I will continue to ask as long as your willing to answer :)

    A) How many shooters on the average would you chart to see your indicators pointing one way or the other?
    B) This is a hard question to phrase properly so let me give you a scenario and you tell me what you would do-

    Table has charted (indicated) cold.
    You place a $10 Don't pass on the next shooter.
    He throws a nine.
    Do you hedge with a 6 /8 and lay odds on the don't?
    Shooter rolls 7 more times and does NOT seven out. Now what! Indicators are moving to warm. Do you pick up ALL your Don't bets and leave your 6 /8? Would you move forward and start betting DO on this shooter? Or just simply sit out the rest of the roll?

    Thank you very much for sharing what you are willing to share.
     
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  14. The Comeback Kid, Aug 6, 2013

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    Wow. That"s just super Obie. You're assume
    Where is this going?
    Everybody wants love and attention, but what else are you peddling here?
    I've had a pretty good career in sales so I can smell a sales job here. What snake oil cure are you selling.
    I've been wrong before, but if it's too good to be true - it probably is.

    We'll just have to take your word for it, wont we. There is no way to verify.
    However, you claim is based on a false premise. There is a natural balance to the universe. This we know.
    There is an in/out of energy flow that is consistent with the Laws of Nature.
    Your claim is as unnatural as breathing by only sucking in air 146 times, without exhaling.

    Let's assume that your rule of thumb is indicating "positive" as must have occurred 146 consecutive times in your Winning Casino Craps Session Formula.
    The 7s are appearing at 6 or more rolls between each other... it's a positive indicator.
    It's roll # 7 or 8, 9, 10 - are you confidently ALL IN? Do you have every penny you own plus the rent money, and your poor mother's saved up pension on the table?
    As you're posts suggests, you can't lose.

    My point is, formulas are like you said "a matter of opinion" and yours are as good as mine or anyone else's.
    If half of what you claim is true, then good for you - but that's you.
    You might want to post your disclaimer: Past success is no indication of future results. Results may vary.
    I'll figure my own system out - the one that works for me. Then I own it. I'll take responsibility for my own success.
    Everyone brings their own "thumbs" to the game and the fun is fine tuning your own unique and personal rules & indicators with every session.

    The beauty of this game is that there are an infinite number of ways to slice and dice it.
    I like being surprised when things go my way, so I accept it equally when they don't. I'm in it for the ride and it's all good.

    You'll watch a cold table instantly sizzle when a new shooter arrives, did you catch the wave early?
    Your indicators show a trend developing hot and you act accordingly only to be on the wrong side of 3 consecutive PSOs (point seven out).
    You've determined that the table you're on is choppy so you move to another only to hear the cheers of a long abundant roll coming from the shooter who took you're exact spot at the old table.
    Then there's those times when you get it just right and you're so proud of yourself.
    I could go on and on but you get the point - surprises everywhere you turn.

    You can over analyze this game until you finally wake up one day and realize the truth. There are too many moving parts?

    When everything becomes predictable you can kiss this fine game goodbye, because you've taken the thrill out of it.
    Luckily that will never happen.
     
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  15. six shooter, Aug 6, 2013

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    Lou's strategy has been verified by many GTC and axispowercraps members witnessing Lou's live sessions. Other people without associations to any craps camp have individually witnessed Lou at the table winning as he says. However, when they bet with his every move they win, they don't know why he makes the moves he does and they can not figure it out. I couldn't either and I have played with Lou for five years, now Lou has shared the math and I understand it. Am I as good as Lou, no not yet, but I know I can get there. It is powerful and nothing anyone has seen before, it is truly revolutionary.
     
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  16. Dicerout, Aug 7, 2013

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    Six Shooter:
    May I know what is "Lou's strategy'? I am new to Craps Forum or axispowercraps ... so bear with me.
    Thanks!
     
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  17. donald, Aug 7, 2013

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    Obie 1: Thanks for the formula. Do you count all 7's the same. Do you count the Come out 7's and the seven out 7's, the same way in determining whether the table is hot, cold or choppy. Do you skip counting the Come out 7's in counting 7's.
     
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    1) Splicer9:

    a) I chart all shooters, the first shooter will give me an "indicator" and every shooter thereafter will give me an indicator and I bet accordingly.

    b) No: (I don't play the 6 & 8 on come out roll 5 preceded by negative indicator).... I lay odds on the don't pass line 5, and if their is no decision (7 out or point made) in 5 rolls, I remove my odd and let the $10 don"t stand alone...and there may be circumstances that would alter my betting at this point or as the roll progresses.



    2) Comeback Kid:

    a) No: I don't go "all in" after a positive indicator, That would be Foolish and only lead to the "poor house".

    b) As far as you: "being in sales..." Where I live, We have a Dental Group who offer Free dental care to U.S Military Veterans on certain days. My sole source of income (prior to my making a steady "supplemental income" from the Craps Table...) was a social security check once a month. I Thank God for the generosity of "Hires Dental Group..." I don't consider their generosity as "snake-oil", but I prefer to look at their generousity as "Holy Water..." The information I give on this forum is TOTALY FREE and there are NO STRINGS ATTACHED.
    And Yes: while I do teach "The Strategy", as is clearly stated on my PROFILE page, nevertheless, on this forum; the information I provide is FREE with no strings attached.

    c) If : "Seeing is Believing..." then send me a PM, and I'll let you know where and when I am playing. You are welcomed to join me at the table or just stay on the side line and watch: TOTALY FREE and THERE are NO STRINGS ATTACHED, so you can see "The Strategy" at work with your own eyes.



    3) Donald: Yes, I count all 7s in my appraisal of "Indicators".

    Good Luck,

    obie1
     
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  19. The Comeback Kid, Aug 7, 2013

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    Five years? I can see you're on the fast track to success.

    I'm all for adopting what other's do Six Shooter. It's fun to pick out key aspects you like from others and incorporate
    them into your own formula. But put your own personal stamp on it. There's empowerment in ownership vs. five years of dependency.

    Because in the end, no formula except the one that works for you, will do, until it doesn't anymore.
    Then you tweak it and it works, until it doesn't. Then you tweak it..... That's the evolution toward success that you seek.

    Lou shared the math, but words don't teach - experience teaches.

    So let's dissect this revolutionary formula and glean from it what we can, but know in the end math & formulas will only take you so far.

    With all due respect to our math experts it seems to me this is more a game of intuition, impulse, and inspiration.
    I for one love the excitement of making a "bad math" bet and having it pay 30:1.
    And while you're cuddled up with your numbers at night, I'll be enjoying both a blond & a brunette - thank you very much.
    But that's just me. Success is a perceptual thing. To each his own.

    6 Shooter - you have your own guidance system. Practice it everyday and it gets easier and easier.
    Then one day you'll amaze yourself with an impulse and there you are picking out the next number thrown like you had a 6th sense.
    Everyone around you will look in utter amazement. How does he do it?
    The secret: you felt it, and when you feel it you just know it. That's the revolution.
    Try feeling a little more and thinking a little less - see what happens.

    You might even impress yourself.
    I know this, you'll have a lot more fun.
     
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  20. six shooter, Aug 7, 2013

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    Ctk...I may be mentally challenged, as you say, however, as far as playing with Lou for five years. His betting strategy was developed over five years, Lou's real breakthrough did not come until February of 2013. Just in the last two weeks, Lou has a found another technical indicator that is paying off in spades. Lou's life is dice, he plays 1-3 daily and spends hours on post analysis disecting every roll and number and discovering patterns never seen or heard of before. I might not have the thrill of giving the house 16.7% advantage on many bets, I do have the thrill of beating them consistently. To me winning is FUN.
     
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