Do and Don't

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  1. KokomoJoe4, Sep 4, 2019

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    There are some things people Do like to do, and other things people Don't like to do.

    For most, having sex can probably be put into the Do column and paying taxes into the Don't. Of course there are exceptions to all things, and we might hear about some of these.

    At craps, players like the Do mostly because, when they win, they win more wagering less. The fact that 90 something percent of players at the "typical table" are playing the Do bears this out. On the Do, the player is NEVER the favorite if he avoids the contract bets. Depending on house rules concerning payment of vig on buy bets, the place bettor who also dabbles in the field and other mid table finds himself fighting a large house edge with his play.

    Even the contract bettor is the favorite for only one roll. If his wager doesn't win immediately, it either loses immediately or converts to a 1:2, 2:3 or 5:6 underdog.

    Further hindering the Do player is that fact that when playing multiple wagers, they can be and often are all lost on one roll of the dice.

    On the Don't, the player finds himself heavy underdog on that first roll, but on that first roll only. Getting through the one roll risk establishes him now as the 2:1, 3:2 or 6:5 favorite over the house.

    If he wants to get out behind a second number, he has the same one roll disadvantage before possessing another favored bet.

    Having favored wagers is no guarantee of success, because numbers do come back, and when this happens the favored bet is a loser.

    Because getting behind any number makes the player favored, odds to be laid to provide for a bigger win must be more than the amount to be won.

    Skilled Don't players are not afraid to lay odds. They know some bets will be lost, some days will be losers, and that overall, just like the Do player, they are underdog.

    This is the design of the game.

    Even so, it seems as if the Don't player has a better chance of winning. If for no other reason, he will be less likely to have a s many bets in action as the typical Do player.
     
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  2. Dave G Ct, Sep 4, 2019

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    The Don't player is not letting off steam and going press happy and one roll bets crazy. Dice players are the worst gamblers in the casino both in skill and yes looks. Can we say " Rif RAF?"
     
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  3. The Midnight Skulker, Sep 4, 2019

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    I would nominate a couple other reasons most players bet the front side.
    1. That is the side they were taught first regardless of where they got their introduction to the game. What strategy is the first one just about every primer gives the student? What is the first bet every dealer I have observed shows a newbie who asks how to play the game? The Don'ts don't come up until later, if at all.
    2. Even players unfamiliar with "street" craps associate the front side with winning. The shooter gets to keep the dice when he/she passes, for example. In fact, thanks to our mates down under I have learned that they have Win and Don't Win instead of Pass and Don't Pass. (Their "DP" stands for "Don't Place", what we Yanks know as "Place To Lose"; I can only guess that "DC" stands for a comic book franchise, perhaps used to refer to a game that's a joke.)
    More frequent wins are something of a mirage. When a shooter sevens out the first thing the dealers do is sweep up all of the front side bets before paying the dark side; when a number makes only the Don't bets behind it are scooped up. This tends to draw attention to Don't bets that won, particularly when the same player was behind multiple numbers. The game also comes to a temporary halt while the dice are passed to the next shooter, drawing even more attention to the dark side winner. OTOH front side wins are paid one at a time. Assuming a somewhat choppy table, what we see is do-gooders getting paid more frequently, but apparently not as much as wrong-siders when they win.
     
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  4. Night Attack, Sep 6, 2019

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    The DP is not marked anywhere on the layout and the bet itself is marked with a DP button.i think I've only ever seen the DP played twice in about 20 years or so.
    And just to clear it up, the DC does stand for don't come and usually referred to as Acca Dacca by the crew. I know midnight knows that just noting it for those unfamiliar with Idaho humour.
     
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  5. eagleeye2, Sep 6, 2019

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    KoKo,

    Yes & that is the reason that the Don't Side is a ""GRIND""...

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  6. basicstrategy777, Sep 6, 2019

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    In case you want to play Don't......be aware the Place to Lose bet has a lower vig than a lay bet on numbers 5/9...6/8....

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  7. KokomoJoe4, Sep 6, 2019

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    Ah yes, the vigorish.

    Here we have several bets where we are the strong favorite and can be paid fairly, then they tack on a 5% charge, which is paid on winners and on losers.

    Craps can be a very fair game, but not as fair as I'd like it to be.
     
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  8. basicstrategy777, Sep 6, 2019

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    It like when I want to buy something......I don't want a good deal....I want a GREAT deal..............good fades to barely OK to below average with time....Great deals last a little longer.

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  9. DeMango, Sep 6, 2019

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    Just play in Mississippi! Great deals await.
     
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    Show us how much better it is. :) What does PTL pay on 5/9 or 6/8?
     
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  11. basicstrategy777, Sep 7, 2019

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    It's in my book...page 43.

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  12. KokomoJoe4, Sep 7, 2019

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    just pulled out the book, 5 to 11 on outsides, 5 to 8 on the odds.
     
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