Does Mental Attitude Play a Part in Winning or Losing

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  1. James Hall, Jul 15, 2018

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    If a person goes into a session with the thought that the game is a
    negative expectation game , thinking he will probably lose
    or has a confident attitude , thinking he will win
    Will either of these basic mental attitudes
    have an affect on the final outcome of the game for him , WIN or LOSE?
     
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  2. TDVegas, Jul 15, 2018

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    No, no effect.
     
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  4. tabletop123, Jul 15, 2018

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    It all depends. Depends on WHAT? Well....if the person TRULY has the ability to Influence the dice, & he/she goes in with a negative attitude, it will DEFINITELY affect his/her performance. Also, if the person TRULY has the skill, & goes in with a Positive viewpoint....that person will usually.....more times than NOT....do well.

    Otherwise ( possessing no ability to Influence the dice or DELUSIONS of "said" ability to Influence the dice) ..it makes absolutely NO difference.
    The " Latter" usually results in " absolute Ruin"!!!
     
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    Based on the limited info given in the original post...if we assume a negative expectation game such as roulette.

    No, my opinion is that your attitude at the table will not negatively or positively influence the results.

    There was no mention of DI or anything else. Just attitude.

    If the thread title was changed to “Does mental attitude affect a DI’s ability to win”....????

    Totally different subject.
     
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    TDV,

    Then maybe it's ""Mind Over Matter"" that leads to DI???

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    I have no idea. I only approached the question as it was put forth. Since this thread was not created in the DI section and there was no mention of dice influence....my answer stands.

    Two players at a craps table who by coincidence happen to be playing the exact same way...one with a good or positive attitude and the other with a bad or negative attitude----explain to me how one does better than the other, or worse, during their session.

    Gambling should be an enjoyable experience...but I totally understand when things go really south, it's tough not let a few expletives fly....even if you're talking to yourself.

    Craps can bring in big highs and low lows. I see it here a couple times a week. Nature of the beast.
     
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  8. von duck, Jul 15, 2018

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    If you cannot muster enough positive energy, to at least think you are going to win, and I mean really believe it, not kid yourself, then don't play, why would you. If your not confident of a win, wait until you are. :cool: Sometimes in course of play, I am overcome with a very negative vibe, as if some part of my brain is telling me, "bail out there's no way to win". To me, this is manifested as something like a "chill" that comes over me. When it has happened, I do not ever remember going on to win. It is something like a sixth sense, but I don't know how it works. Perhaps it is an ancient defense, or survival mechanism, rooted deep in the brain. I've rarely if ever, experienced the same sort of thing on the positive side, that I could exploit for big winner though. If you feel the chill, bail out.
     
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  9. The Midnight Skulker, Jul 15, 2018

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    "If you think you are beaten, you are ..." Thus begins the poem Thinking by Walter D. Wintle, which Basic Sevens introduced me to, and which succinctly states the reason I believe that attitude matters. Obviously a players' attitudes cannot directly influence the dice, balls, wheels, cards, and RNGs, but I contend those attitudes influence how the players bet the game.



    For those who sing that song of their treatment at the hand of Lady Luck, defeat becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. The player who "thinks he is beaten" does not take advantage of favorable conditions where, for a few dollars more, he can swing the odds temporarily in his favor -- classic example: splitting aces in blackjack -- because he figures he will just lose more than his original bet. The player who "thinks he is beaten" prefers to prolong the agony and try to grind his way back from the grave, not recognizing that maximizing variance gives him the best chance to win. Perhaps most detrimental, the player who "thinks he is beaten" continues to throw good money after bad because he believes it is his destiny to lose and be miserable.

    A positive attitude does not always lead to a positive result, but I believe it does let you give it your best shot and recognize when this is one of those times when, in the words of Damon Runyon, this race is not to the swift nor this battle to the strong and it's time to ...
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    I think it also depends on your playing style.
    If you get ahead and start deviating from your regular play because it's "house money" and you start taking different risks, chances are you will end up losing it. Same goes if you start losing from the beginning and start taking risks to "get ahead", it usually doesn't end well either.
     
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    :confused: "Two players making the same bet will have the same outcome, regardless of attitude" :cool: Gee, TD, though correct, don't you think this misses the point? If a player is "fatalistic" about losing, they will tend to unconsciously, seek that end. Attitude has a lot to do with it. :cool:
     
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  12. HornHiYo, Jul 15, 2018

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    Attitude is all about the player. Attitude gets players to casinos. Attitude can determine if a player actually plays or watches the play. Attitude can make a player leave too early, stay too long or leave at just the right time. Attitude can make a player feel high or low. Attitude from other players or the MS can make or break the game. Attitude can influence the pit, but it cannot influence the the dice or the chips. Player attitude can affect player longevity but has nothing to do with house wins or losses.
     
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  13. TDVegas, Jul 15, 2018

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    Well, that's fine if one feels attitude will influence your betting or how you approach the game. I've seen many players with pissed off attitudes chase losses with bigger and yet bigger bets. It's not a pretty scene.

    My attitude while playing is something I try and put aside. My methods are methodical, strict and regimented based on a "plan of action"...

    While the limits are low...I would have the same approach at any level.

    I believe that my plan will overrule or take precedence over a smile or frown, confidence or lack of.

    We are, again, talking about a random chance game....not poker, not golf, not tennis where attitude and confidence plays a role, IMO. Sometimes a large role.

    Make no mistake....having a positive cannot hurt. It can also add enjoyment to the experience of gambling....which at its heart is supposed to be enjoyable, regardless of what some might say.
     
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    Craps players know it's a negative expectation game, they probably hope for a favorable varrance.

    I have more confidence winning in craps than the slots...but I see folks win at slots all the time. With craps I feel more vested in the decision making process...

    ...but I accept that it's a negative expectation game. Besides someone is always winning at the table. Like Top says...hit and run.
     
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    James

    I think the attitude you take to the table means a lot.
    But that statement has to be divided into two segments.

    1....does that attitude change the numbers.....I say no
    2 does a positive attitude give you a better chance of dealing
    with the numbers that come out, adjusting to outcomes,
    taking advantages of things.....I say yes.

    tdb
     
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    I agree with you Billy!
     
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    HornHiYo,

    Now that is YOUR OPINION!

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    Again TDV, that is your OPINION!

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    Well...DUH!! That's what everyone is giving here. Their opinion.

    If I or everyone here had to put IMO before every sentence....the server would shut down as its overloaded with the letters IMO.

    These are ALL opinions as read.
     
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    Midnite...you're a dangerous man.

    The reason you are a dangerous man is because you are above average smart and can express yourself very, very well. You are very convincing, even when being on the side of a losing proposition. I know this to be true, as over the years we have taken opposing positions and have felt your sting.

    Unless there is resistence to the oars, the boat cannot go forward......it's always good to have 2 sides and have the best put forth their position........I wish I was better at keeping my verbal gun holstered but at times, it is difficult for me not to drift into the gutter. Ahh well......

    777
     
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