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  1. Michael Vaughn, Jan 18, 2022

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    Would it make sense to play doeydon't and then lay full odds? I want to play doeydon't for $25, then lay max odds except for 6&8. Put a dollar on the 12 only on comeout.
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  2. Night Attack, Jan 19, 2022

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    The most famous craps player of them all, Nick The Greek (a don't player), said that if he could do it all again he wouldn't lay odds.
     
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  3. basicstrategy777, Jan 19, 2022

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    If you had a DC number out there on the comeout......you have the 7 covered and would not need the doeydont........just a thought.

    777

    and another famous gambler said, when asked where his millions went...responded..." I spent it on broads, booze and gambling....the rest I wasted."
     
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  4. lone irish digit, Jan 19, 2022

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    This is Barney

    Speaking of laying broads, the LID always told me "Barney, stay away from those casino chicks or you're going to need some more penicillin shots."
     
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  5. von duck, Jan 19, 2022

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    If you want to take or lay odds on the point, which is the same bet as “buy” or “lay” but pays better, the doey don’t offers very cheap “buy or lays” on the point, TD :)
     
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  6. twodicebilly, Jan 19, 2022

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    I played this system for two years and have no complaints. It is designed to keep you
    at the table longer on a low or moderate bankroll.

    The way i was shown was start the 5 count on the first box number, then on shot 4 place an
    equal come and dont come bet. On shot five place another bet of equal amounts. If shot 6 was
    a box number place odds on both. Play the hand in your normal way. This reduces the loss
    on short rolls. I played this on other players only.

    The hard part now days is to place both the come and dont come at the same time and keep track of
    your money. so many times the dealers dont like the extra work and forget about the dont come
    bet on a 7 call. I got to the point that i did not want to make extra work for the dealers, there job is hard
    enough.

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  7. Chip Magnet, Jan 25, 2022

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    I ran the Dooey/Don't with WinCraps Pro using the 35,000 Zumma real dice rolls.

    It is a bad strategy.

    $10 on DP and $10 on PL. Single Odds on the DP. No Odds on PL. Starting BR $10K. Lost $2,605.

    $10 DP alone, with Single Odds, lost $775.

    $10 PL alone, with Single Odds, lost $1,830.
     
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  8. von duck, Jan 25, 2022

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    The loss of $2605, is just about dead on what you should expect, for a $10 doey/don’t and 35000 roles which should be about 11;300 come-outs. But you are not using it properly, nor making the right comparisons, TD. :)
     
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  9. Chip Magnet, Jan 25, 2022

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    How's that?

    $10 on the DP and $10 on the PL, with 1x odds on the DP.

    What would you prefer?

    I showed what happens when you bet both sides at the same time, and what happens when you bet the DP alone, then the PL alone.

    What do you consider the 'right' comparisons?
     
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  10. von duck, Jan 25, 2022

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    This is NOT the optimal usage of the Doey/Don’t. The odds bet is like a lay bet, only their is no vig. So, run the $10 doey/don’t, with $100 odds on the don’t side, and compare the results to a $100 lay bet, on what ever the point was for each roll. The D/D should fare much better.cheap buy and lay bets (the odds) is the only practical use for the D/D. You would want to play where you have at least 10x odds. Line bets would be minimum, odds Maximum. I’ve run this in detail, several times TD? I’m not saying I recommend it, but it’s one way to approach the game. :)
     
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  11. twodicebilly, Jan 26, 2022

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    ? did you run it the way i played it ????

    ? how much would you have lost over 35,000



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  12. DeMango, Jan 26, 2022

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    Actually it shows what happens when you refuse to influence the dice!
     
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  13. Chip Magnet, Jan 26, 2022

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    35K Real Dice Rolls:

    Dooey/Don't $10 each side. 10X odds on Dont's. Nearly busted 10K BR, down 8,300 at one point before ending up winning 680.

    Don't Pass Only. $10 bet w/ 10X odds. Started out down 7,900 and ended up winning 2,510.

    Passline Only. $10 bet w/10X odds. Lost 6K.

    Dooey/Don't $10 each side. No odds. $100 Lay bet on the point. Never had shot. Lost 20,000.

    The Dooey/Don't is a bad strategy. Lay bets only make it worse.
     
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  14. von duck, Jan 26, 2022

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    Ok, let’s do the math. 35000 roles = about 10,360 come-outs. 10,360 x20 = 207,200 x .0139 = $2880, expected loss. The odds bet figures to break even no matter which side you play.
    One question. When played the lay bets, how was the vig collected? On every lay or only on loosing bets. :confused: if you pay the vig on every lay, my numbers show an expected loss of about $22,000. So I’m betting that the vig was on every lay. It would make no sense whatsoever, to play the D/D and then make a lay bet? Sounds like TDVegas play to me. :D
     
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  15. von duck, Jan 26, 2022

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    Show us YOUR stack of MONEY. :)
     
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  16. twodicebilly, Jan 26, 2022

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    The doey donts was not designed to make a profit, it was designed
    to keep you at the table longer than not using it.
    If you bet on everyone at the table, the longer your there, the better
    your chance of some one having that long roll.

    In theory, Demango is right, there is a price to be paid to not learning
    how to shoot and play well enough to beat the table. IN real life, not
    so much, i would venture there is not 20 people in the country that
    would make money only betting on themselves.


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  17. TDVegas, Jan 26, 2022

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    Here you go. F….U.

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  18. Chip Magnet, Jan 26, 2022

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    10K Bankroll. 35K Real Dice Rolls

    Doooey/Don't $10 Zero Odds. $100 Lay on the point.

    Vig on All Bets = Lost $21,805 Highest BR was +406

    Vig only on Winning Bets = Lost $12,584 Highest BR was +416

    Definitely not the only practical use for the D/D.
     
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  19. twodicebilly, Jan 26, 2022

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    TDV


    NOW THAT IS A GOOD DAYS WORK



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  20. von duck, Jan 26, 2022

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    You are not making the right comparison. Why in hell would you LAY the point, if you could lay odds on the don’t side? The D/D will cost you 1.39% on the two line bets made. In your example of $10 bets, that’s about 28 cents per come-out. For that 28 cents “vig” you can take or lay the Odds bet. Do you understand the concept? If you were going to take the odds on a $100 bet, there would be $5 vig, why not 28 cents vig, instead. :) Just out of curiosity, how long does it take to run 35,000 rolls on win craps?
     
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