Don't fool yourself....Be certain about your claims!!!

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  1. tabletop123, Oct 13, 2019

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    Yeah.....I know. You are DEFINITELY influencing the dice, because your dice look good in the air, & your MANY years of meticulous record-keeping, & chi-squared tests prove confirm it.

    So.....where's the money? Making a nice living off of your years of " Said" influence...are ya?

    Variance allows for " alleged" influence, & BELIEVE YOU ME......you'd be suprised at the many times that positive Variance was misconstrued as influencing the dice.

    Now....I DO realize that those that THINK they are REALLY influencing the dice CANNOT/ Will not be dissuaded. No problem. However, how many Guys that CONTEND that they influence the dice, have filmed THEIR OWN tosses in Slow Motion?

    How many have filmed their mid-air tosses, along with their landings....simultaneously with TWO cameras?

    First of all....dice only result " on Axis" roughly 2% of the time. The bottom line is that tossing Casino grade dice under Casino conditions ENSURES that the dice will tumble, flip, twist, yaw, etc BEFORE they even contact the pyramids.

    Dice do NOT rotate, soar, mid-air, On Axis, & then CONTINUE along the same On Axis path ( rolling like a wheel) once they come in contact with the layout. Sorry......Doesn't work THAT way!!!

    AS SOON as your dice hit the table, THAT mid-air, On Axis performance is SEVERELY interrupted ( actually destroyed).

    Yep.....your Dice can/might result in an "On Axis" configuration, but it's pretty much guaranteed that those dice flipped tumbled, & yawed every which way before they came to a final rest.

    Remember those " beauties" wherein the dice hit the table ONE time, hit the pyramids, & then dropped DEAD without rolling? Well....guess what? It didn't REALLY happen that way. . To the naked eye?....Yes, .....but Slow motion would actually reveal that it was only a mirage. Hard to believe, but those " Stop, & drop dead" tosses actually rolled, tumbled more than the naked eye reveals.

    So......is influence real, or simply a bag of bullshit? YOU be the judge!!!

    One thing is certain......a Shooter has a much better chance for success, & extending rolls beyond probability...IF he/she CAN SOMEHOW have their dice result in the 2V, 3V, or Crossed Sixes dice sets ( which contain only two 7's).

    Now, how is this accomplished? How can you toss two sharply squared cubes under Casino conditions , & consistently result in Dice sets containing only two 7's?

    Billy says that he knows how to accomplish this by manipulating his dice sets based upon what his previous results reveal.
    My opinion is simply that.....you cannot!! What I mean is simply that it will always be a gamble, & that when you change dice sets.....you are basically " Fishing" for a Dice set/s that puts you in those 2V, 3V, & Crossed Sixes dice sets at landing, & roll-out!!!

    The bottom line is that EVEN THOUGH you land in those bi-axial dice sets containing only two Sevens.....You can STILL seven-out!

    It really becomes a matter of...would you care to tangle with four Masked Gunmen (A dice set containing four 7's?), or two Masked Gunmen ( Dice Set containing only Two 7's?).

    There is simply no guarantees, whether you try to influence the dice, or use Linaway's material to determine how the dice are landing.

    One thing is certain.....I have witnessed MANY long rolls by Shooters that simply picked up the dice, & tossed them, but ......SOMEHOW....they CONTINUOUSLY landed in either the 2V, 3V, or X6's dice set!!! ( containing only two 7's)


    It doesn't matter HOW you get there......Only that you " GET THERE"!!!

    So......to answer the forthcoming question : " If Linaway's material is so good, why aren't you making $$$$ using it"?

    My answer is simply.......because it's called gambling, coupled with the question: If Dice Influencing is so good, why aren't Dice Influencers making $$$$ using it?

    Who knows......Maybe the Dice Influencers are making $$$$ doing what they do, & the Linaway proponents are doing well with his material.

    One thing is certain.....Most claims on this forum are just......Anecdotal!!!!

    Continued Success at the tables!!!
     
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  2. DeMango, Oct 13, 2019

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    It is truly amazing the lack of work most so called di’s actually do. They practice at home. Then they take these results and expect similar results at the office. You can even take my example of taming one table to the tune of $2500 over four sessions and come home $800 lighter. All tables are different.

    This is why, these days, HR&R is so popular. One size does not fit all and those former starry eyed students look for different shots to get them to the promised land. Everything works sometimes. In the meantime over betting and betting on random rollers wreck bankrolls and disillusionment sets in.

    The answer these days in pro sports is analytics. Has anyone ever mentioned that in relation to craps? I mean a little farther than actually knowing your SRR for your practice table, faithfully following the V3 mantra? Remember the advice years ago? Keep them on axis and sixes and eights till the cow comes home. A very few at a very few tables, with very few distractions can do such. Talent most of us don’t have. No matter what the gurus say.
     
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  3. tabletop123, Oct 14, 2019

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    Well....I agree with Demango. Many fail to do the work to determine if Dice Influencing is. REALLY working, or that it's simply Positive Variance.

    I, myself am guilty of attacking things in a lazy fashion. Years ago, I purchased a Go-Pro Camera, recorded my mid-air tosses, & NEVER even THOUGHT about filming the " landings" before, & after contact with the pyramids. Why? Simply because....As with MOST People that try to influence the dice......I was only concerned with how " pretty", glued together that the dice looked. What a big, friggin mistake!!!

    I applaud those that continue the Dice Influencing journey, & hopefully...at some point....he/she will study tons of video of THEIR OWN tosses to FULLY understand the many flips, flops, & twists that the dice go through REGARDLESS of how " beautifully", the mid-air tosses appear ....& closely cropped together that the roll-outs MIGHT result in.... with even the BEST looking tosses that SEEM ( to the naked eye) to NOT bounce much after contact with the pyramids.

    After reviewing Slow Motion video with the dice coming to the back wall, & simultaneously reviewing overhead in Slow motion, I have concluded that MY RESULTS ( on ONLY MY BEST TOSSES) are PROBABLY random.

    Of course this doesn't mean that .others aren't experiencing " Influence", but......I seriously doubt it. ( Just MY opinion).

    So....what to do? How can a shooter gain an edge over the Casinos? Simply put.....you can't. The Casino will always have the edge, because you never know when that dreaded Seven will appear.

    A player's best bet is to stick with low house edge bets, manage bankroll, limit playing time, choose WHERE to engage & increase your bets when those dice consistently fall into the dice sets containing the least amount of Sevens ( 2V, 3V, & X6's).

    Ya gotta treat it kinda like a Card Counter experiencing a High count wherein the deck is rich with face Cards. Yep....you can still lose when the count is high but at least you are the " Favorite" to win.

    For myself....i' d rather deal with "toss by toss" three dimensional Facts, as opposed to a BELIEF system ( Dice Influencing).

    The problem with Linaway's material, Dice Influencing, or any other system, or belief is that....It's STILL gambling. However, just as the BlackJack Card Counter increases his/her bet as the count becomes high.....so should the Craps Player when those dice continue to result in the 2V, 3V, & X6's dice sets!!!!!

    The problem then becomes.....how do you gauge those favorable results ( 2V, 3V, & X6's landings) to your advantage? Do you increase bets after witnessing consecutive landings that result in a bi-axial dice set with only two 7's, or is that too soon to increase betting?

    Should you increase wagers after three , four, or five consecutive bi-axial results, or should you do a roll by roll analysis....increasing wagers after EVERY roll that results in a bi-axial dice set containing only two 7's?

    Those are the things to ponder while using Linaway's material. I know that Kokomo likes to witness ( correct me if I am wrong Kokomo) at least three?..consecutive landings resulting in the 2V, 3V, or Crossed Sixes, before MAYBE tossing out a Place bet or two.

    However, if memory serves me correctly....Kokomo said that the results that he has witnessed didn't warrant wagering any place Bets.

    I think Kokomo stated that he had played many sessions wherein he rarely witnessed more than 2-3 consecutive results. Dice landings) containing only two Sevens.

    At any rate.....if you think that Dice Influencing is gonna " get you there"......you might just want to " biodegrade your toss under Slow- Mo to get a TRUE grasp on what THE VERY BEST of tosses REALLY do once those dice hit the table, & the pyramids.

    Wishing each, & all a bundle of Success at the tables!!!!
     
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  4. KokomoJoe4, Oct 14, 2019

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    2V, 3V and X6 should show 2 of every 3 outcomes BECAUSE, by definition, their axial arrays contain two different sevens.

    Since the H6, V6 and HW arrays contain the SAME seven, they are expected only half as often.

    The best thing about Linaway's material is that it shows you what's happening as it happens, which is better than finding out after the session.

    However, there is no way to predict the next outcome. :(
     
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  5. DeMango, Oct 14, 2019

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    It was called, I think, Pattern of Influence. When you marry two dice, in flight, and land in your landing zone, patterns happen. Measuring those results, running them through computer software, is the heart of analytics. How to deal with those patterns and how to lessen the table influence is the keys to the kingdom.
     
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  6. Dave G Ct, Oct 14, 2019

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    You are right about landings. That is why I use a velux " throw" to check dice imprints in their landings.Are they side by side or one dice lagging? Are they side by side and perpendiculer to the back wall?
    That is something the naked eye cannot see.
     
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  7. DeMango, Oct 14, 2019

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    Dave, you gave the secret of success, some years back, for us who don’t claim perfect tosses. It is reflected in my analytics. Not the V3, the A7. Here is another set, mentioned before and ignored by all: Double pitch Bi axial sets!
     
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  8. tabletop123, Oct 14, 2019

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    One last thing about dice flying through the air as Mirror images......" Spin" has a tendency to complicate things UNLESS you can spin both dice PERFECTLY. ( Most Dice Influencers THINK they ARE spinning the dice on tandem, but IN MOST CASES....slow motion will prove otherwise).

    ( G) told me over 2 yrs ago that Spin adds variety to the toss, & I NOW agree that his words ring true. Now, ( G) tosses with absolutely no spin & his Dice SEEM to be glued together in flight, but.....I just gotta film a few of his tosses in Slow-mo.

    I am thoroughly convinced that ANY knuckleball type toss keeps the dice flying in tandem more accurately than tosses that include ANY amount of spin. Now, of course....I am only speaking about the MECHANICS of a synchronized toss ( Not influence).

    At any rate, as Ducky said..,..if a person believes that they are indeed influencing the dice, & they feel comfortable, & are having fun......ENJOY!!! Everyone has their own way of attacking the tables. Me? As Kokomo stated....I am looking for more than 66% of 2V, 3V, or X6's outcomes when those dice come to rest. Gotta treat them like a High count in a BlackJack deck. $$$$ Cha- Ching.
     
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  9. DeMango, Oct 14, 2019

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    Not understanding why if you want that Bi axial result you don’t start that way? With no influence you get 44% success! That is the basis of all the dice schools (except Little Joe). They work on improving your on axis percentage. Good luck with that!
     
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  10. tabletop123, Oct 14, 2019

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    Thanks....it's been working quite well for me. I used the material quite nicely from Table end observing the outcomes of that " Winger Flinger" that went on a ABSOLUTE " tear" at the Crapless table at Gold Strike.

    $$$$Cha-Ching.
     
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