Don't pass with cover

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  1. Scott venedam, May 3, 2018

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    Saw a guy the other night doing ok but it made no sense to me.. 60 on the don' pass then 4$ on each of the 15-1 any 7.. 61 43 52. So it' really a 50-50 on the come out but then he' a favourite yes but wagering 60 to win 48. Is this logical? He ended up a couple hundred on a choppy table so?? Ideas welcome
     
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  2. tabletop123, May 3, 2018

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    60 to win 48? That's not so bad compared to the "Other" negative expectation bets. A guy bets $120 inside to win $35, or $42!

    Here's another head puzzler for ya.....$360 Across to win $116, $84, or $70!
    All bad bets.
    Some, worst than others! You get a lot of shooters that CLAIM to be skilled enough to bet All of the numbers! Lol.

    Imagine THAT! You're skilled, but TOO skilled to direct THAT skill towards hitting 1-2 numbers, & getting a Decent rate of return.
    My Ass hurts!
     
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  3. Scott venedam, May 3, 2018

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    Lol I jist want to know how bad or decent the hoise edge is on it? Is it worth giving a shot? Everything is technically I assume
     
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  4. TDVegas, May 3, 2018

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    He's going to lose that $12 more than 80% of the time. I'm not a prop bet wagerer but can understand people betting a $1 or $2 here or there on a whim. I would never do it as part of a regular strategy. Slow, methodical drain and those $12 losses will add up.
     
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    House edge on any 7 is 16.7%
    House edge on DP is 1.36%

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  6. Scott venedam, May 3, 2018

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    That' what I thought. Maybe if a 7 comes on the come out next roll cover it just in case.. I thought personally instead of betting the 7 I'd bet the horn for 12. More chances to get paid. If 7 hits just accept it.. bet 50 flat dp
     
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    The any 7 bet pays 4-1. The one I'd bet is 3 bets of 4$ on a 5-1 odd
     
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  8. Onautopilot, May 3, 2018

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    I don't like the hedge, but that's a personal decision.

    What the hedge gives the player is an expected reduced volatility.......the bankroll stays in tact longer in most cases,

    But you are betting a very high HA bet to get that volatility protection....in the long rune, you will probably regret that decision. :)
     
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  9. Mssthis1, May 4, 2018

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    I've been toying on Wincraps with a naked pass line bet, up a unit on a loss, down a unit on a win. Been using $10 units on Wincraps and it looks promising. 10 units down is the most it's taken me SO FAR. I know that will change sooner or later.

    In live play on a $5 table you could start at $5 and use $1 or $2 units from there instead of $5 units. It's a self service bet so betting odd amounts wouldn't upset the flow of the game.

    I've tried this on the DP and eventually a run of comeout sevens and 11's mucks it up. The pass side actually looks more promising.

    Plan on trying it a little on the bubble tonight since I can blend it in with my normal play.
     
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    It's an expensive hedge because you lose the other two hoppers even if you hit a seven.

    I would prefer to make a lone DP at an amount that fit my bankroll.

    Refer back to Onautopilot's post. He nailed it.
     
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  11. tabletop123, May 4, 2018

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    A hedge on the Pass leads to a pain in the Ass!
     
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  12. eDiceGuy, May 4, 2018

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    Just to be clear, do you mean 4 to1 vs 5 for 1 on the Any Seven (aka Big Red)? They are technically the same, different semantics. The former you keep the bet, the latter the house keeps the bet. The payout to you is the same.

    Also, if you are playing the bubble the Lay bet is a nice alternative to the Pass Line. You could Lay $1 each for $6 total, yet you are only risking $1 dollar. If a 7 is rolled you win 4:1 (less the vig). Still better than even money on the pass line.
     
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  13. TDVegas, May 4, 2018

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    I see a lot of guys employing hedges on the bubble. I assume this is a tactic that would be difficult to do on the live table...but easy on the bubble.
     
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  14. eDiceGuy, May 4, 2018

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    Absolutely. The risk on the live table is much greater as the minimum Lay bet is large enough so the payout can be made without change. The bubble doesn't have this issue, although I do find myself leaving the casino with a pocketful of change after cashing out:).

    Reminds me of the old days when the slots came with buckets for your quarters and such.
     
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    Nor do I consider this a hedge if I'm betting with the 7 (aka right or Do better). I could hedge this bet with a DP bet to cover the 2/3 with the added benefit that the Lay bets do not lose if a 2/3/12 is rolled.
     
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    A little hint.

    6$ 3way 7 pay 32.
    Press to 30$, winner gives you 130 each next hit.

    You don’t need to edge for 12$...but if you hit it once, try to repeat it!
     
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  17. TDVegas, May 4, 2018

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    If you are utilizing Right side and Darkside under any circumstance...you are hedging. Whether you personally consider it a hedge is your own decision. It is considered a hedge bet.

    Betting DP while covering 7 hops is a hedge.
     
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  18. eDiceGuy, May 5, 2018

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    Totally agree. My original post was using the lay bet as an alternative to the pass line bet. I am not a PL or DP player so I normally do not hedge the lay bet with a DP. I prefer the Horn as it covers 2/3/11/12. To me it’s worth the risk and it’s only a buck on STW.

    Last night I played the bubble at Harrah’s maricopa. I bought in and waited for the comeout. I layed the line and threw a buck on the horn. The next three rolls were 3, 11 and 12. I was up about $23 with no losses. There were 2 DP bettors across from me. They won even money on the 3, lost on the 11 and pushed on the 12. They frowned at me because my win light was flashing on the 11 and 12.
     
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