Due theory, influence and math

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  1. tabletop123, Mar 3, 2019

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    One last thing TD.....ya need to stop using the Casino Math. That friggin Casino Math is simply used to tabulate how they beat the player's brains out.

    Ya need to use the Square 2 Square Mesa Gang Math. -$42 + -$42 + -$42= + $5,000.
     
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  2. TDVegas, Mar 3, 2019

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    Ah...I see. Now we are discussing "not real" craps.;)
    Ah....akin to today and the guy wondering what the hell happened to his last $100 in his wallet and TDV says "dude, you put it in the machine 15 minutes ago"...."it's gone". In his mind it was never there...ergo, he never lost it.:confused:
    Out of sight...out of mind. "Let's get some burgers, Jimbo, and re tool".:)
    Ah..got it. Again with the not real craps. Now we're cookin.:cool:
    Sure....got that speech several times from the "stunted" bus crew.:rolleyes:
     
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  3. TDVegas, Mar 3, 2019

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    I'm all in favor of maxing out the table for those five 11's in eight rolls. A real wow whacker.
     
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  4. James Hall, Mar 3, 2019

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    Where did you get that number??? , $42 across who does that.????
    Not us. We don't bet $42 across.
    It would appear the learning chip clicked in and
    your machine is in collect mode and with four 7s that close
    I would say it won't be back into PSSB mode for awhile.
    Like I told you MANY MOONS AGO it would be highly unusual
    for any 2 of us to have rolls that bad on the same day. Nah that could never happen.
    Not to the Texas guys. We just won't let that happen.
    "Squirt"???that's funny , when we got back to school for the 5th grade
    Quirts dad was an executive with shell oil company and was transferred
    to our little patch of heaven.

    Quirt's , family moved into town that summer
    before school started. Quirt shows up in a shirt and tie carrying a satchel
    and of course some of the guys , 6 or 8 of them
    had him surrounded in the hall way taunting him
    and threatening to whip his , "@$$" they were just teasing and testing
    Quirt laid down his satchel and squared off ready to fight
    he was smaller than any of them but ready to fight.
    Glenn , Leon ,Gary and I went over and broke it up
    Glen put his arm around Quirts shoulder and said come on , Squirt
    We have all been friends ever since. Quirt was ready to fight
    but it never came to that. He fit right in to our little group.
    I guess that was OUR little , "GROUP OF INSIDERS"
    Every body in school and in town called us , "THE PUGS"
     
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  5. James Hall, Mar 3, 2019

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    Yes you did but that's OK , you don't understand trends
    there was no trend . We would have been off the table
    with the first 7 out , you don't pay attention ,when you roll a 7 YOU WALK.
    Win or lose , you 7 out you walk that's the rule remember?? the rule , you never break the rule.
    When you break rules you have chaos , we can't have chaos ,
    If we have chaos we are no different than the randies / losers.
    NEVER EVER BREAK THE RULES.
     
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  6. James Hall, Mar 3, 2019

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    Right , that's bubble craps , not to be confused with ,
    THE REAL GAME OF CRAPS.
    Yes bubble craps , BU BB LE craps. Like the game only fixed.
     
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  7. James Hall, Mar 3, 2019

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    Damn you remember.
     
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  8. TDVegas, Mar 3, 2019

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    Speak for yourself. Squirt and Leon wanted to play after your early 7 out. Just because you hacked out....doesn't mean they have to pack it in.

    They hacked out too...but that's beside the point.

    No trends....other than early 7.

    Shit happens.

    I'm all for talking real craps. Fantasy bullshit...not so much.

    Hopefully all win when they sidle up. Most here I believe have a healthy understanding about craps and do their best to win.

    I can't get involved in your Disney version of craps.

    Enjoy.
     
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  9. James Hall, Mar 3, 2019

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    Yes the casino math is used by the casino
    to be assured they beat your brains out.
    The casino math does not help you win
    nor does it cause you to lose , it has no value to you as a player.
    You need to stay away from that math and
    USE THE MATH THAT SHOWS YOU WHAT YOU MUST DO TO WIN.
    You really suck at math , OK here is how that goes

    it's the , Patented , "TRIPLE HARD WAY"
    We bet the same $5 for the dealers , when they pick up their tip
    they are shouting , dancing and high fiving like a batch of , RANDOM PLAYERS.
    but at any rate it goes $5 to $50 to $500 to $5,000.
    A couple of those will light up your life.
    This would be difficult because first
    you have to muster up enough courage to drop $5 chips on the table.
    That would be like hustling drunks in bar using YOUR OWN MONEY.
    NEVA GONNA HEEEPIIIN.
     
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  10. James Hall, Mar 3, 2019

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    So how much would you win when
    you spring for a twenty five cent bet on that 11 press then pull then press.
    Damn that would probably bring you two or three dollars easy peasy.
    Yeah do that , "MAX THAT BITCH OUT" you only live
    OH HUH, The rule is 7 out walk , we don't break rules
    without rules there is chaos.
    yep
     
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  11. James Hall, Mar 3, 2019

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    That depends on what you mean by a healthy understanding of craps.
    There is no Disney version there is only losing or winning.
    To lose it is only necessary to place bets and HOPE FOR LUCK.
    Winning requires a bit more , quite a bit more.
    It requires GETTING INVOLVED in LEARNING.
     
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  12. James Hall, Mar 3, 2019

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    Not me , are you???
     
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  13. James Hall, Mar 3, 2019

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    I know , to many people the idea of being able to win
    at the game must seems like pure fantasy.
     
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  14. von duck, Mar 3, 2019

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    This is some kind of slot machine. I think those guys only play "real craps" :)
     
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  15. Mssthis1, Mar 4, 2019

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    That brings up an interesting question. What does one do when you hit an easy 6 for $6 and you also had $5 on the H6? Forget about putting the H6 back because it isn't trending? If you put it back you get $2 for the $11 bet. That is making even money on the pass line or a come bet look awful good.

    Most people who have the confidence to bet $5 on a H6, H8 also have enough faith in their toss to bet $30 on the place 6,8 so they can get paid even money on an easy way hit.
     
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  16. Dave G Ct, Mar 4, 2019

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    It is justified IF the shooter does it the hard six or eight more than normal.I.will give you an example using the 2-V looking to hit the hard 4 or 10 .Works better with the 4&10 because of the less easy combinations.Myself I have a shade less than 50-50 of hitting a Hardway.With the 2-V you have 2 hardways and 2 soft outcomes. To get a soft 4 or 10 both die need to be off axis.So I like my chances. My hardways are usually 1/7 to 1/5 of my bet.
     
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  17. Mssthis1, Mar 4, 2019

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    If you have documented enough rolls to know for a fact you toss greater than 10% more HW than random and have the bankroll to survive the additional volatility that would be true.

    A $100 buy in fails the volatility test unless you want to spend 99% of your time traveling to casinos and 1% shooting dice.
     
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  18. tabletop123, Mar 4, 2019

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    The Parallel6's gets the job done for hitting Hard 4's, & 10's. Both die flipping horizontally gets you both the Hard 4 & 10. That 2V ain't the only way to skin a Cat.

    Also, try the horizontal 6's for the Hard 6 & 8 along with the 3V.
     
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  19. tabletop123, Mar 4, 2019

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    Lol
     
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  20. Dave G Ct, Mar 4, 2019

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    I will put up my PFH' % against yours and Top' s any day of the week.
     
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