Finally stepped up to the table

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  1. BBinWI, Nov 8, 2015

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    Fellow crappers,

    I've been listening and learning from you for almost a year now. Never really felt the need to "join" because I didn't think I had much to say. I learned this game from my father-in-law just a few years ago...and haven't stopped learning since. I LOVE it! I've read books, watched every YouTube video out there, scanned the web...whatever I cold find. You give me the most current, changing discussion I can find.

    Whenever I walk up to a craps table, I want to talk the game with whoever is there. But, I don't want to bother people while they're playing.

    I know there's no magic system. I know it's a negative expectation game. I know the house always wins eventually. I'm not a DI, but I think there's a flow to the game and DI's can contribute to that. Dice still need to bounce though.

    My primary question for every player is this - what's your play? No right or wrong, as OAP often quips, but your play. I'm interested in all thoughts, all styles, all bankrolls. I've got a mini table in my basement and love to "experiment" because it's fun. I also like the real thing! I must admit to playing many different conservative styles but haven't found MY style yet. Maybe you'll help me find it!

    So, you walk up to a table, what's your play (if you have many, please share as much as you're willing).

    Thanks for the discussion,
    BB
     
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  2. Dave G Ct, Nov 8, 2015

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    Hi BBinWI
    I think it depends on what style of play you feel comfortable in. I like to bet right usually the inside numbers on random shooters. Will go $18 6&8 and regress to $12 6&8 on the first hit and leaves you at $3 risk if the 7 shows.plenty of options. Can start pressing a unit next hit or you can even take your bets down.
    If I am shooting I like to bet the 4&10 and hope for a decent roll
     
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  3. BBinWI, Nov 8, 2015

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    Thanks Dave G. I know my play needs to be comfortable for me. I enjoy hearing how others play.

    Do you stay at $12 rest of roll. Ever press back up? How many losses before you walk? Or just play by feel or time?
     
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  4. dave_from_WA_State, Nov 8, 2015

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    Ooooh...:eek:

    Puh-leeze.... "crapSTers." Or "craps players. Or "fellow dice degenerates" Anything but "crappers" :confused:

    ROFL

    Whew. Glad I got that out!:rolleyes:

    I'm a right bettor, and make bets with low house PC - front line w/odds; place 6/8; etc.

    :D[3][3]
     
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  5. KokomoJoe4, Nov 8, 2015

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    Welcome to the board BBinWI.

    I prefer to play with the shooter, on either the Pass or Come, both on pretty rare occasion. Since the seven is the most likely outcome every roll, and your friend only at come out, I think it's safest to play a minimal number of bets. One being the most minimal. There is some safety inherent with this type of play, but it often isn't much fun either.

    I parlay come out winners at least once every time they happen, more than once when progressing while winning.

    Use odds on every established line bet, usually 2x odds at the start.

    If/when ahead by $75 to $100, bet in such a way to put about $75 (possibly all) of the profit into action. Have 10x maximum odds available, so this first progressive bet will be either a $10 or $25 line bet, parlaying the natural winner on either. A come out loser here sends me back to a minimum bet. If a point comes out, then the odds will be $50 on the $25 flat or $60 on the $10 flat.

    Loser here sends me back to the minimum, but a winner is again aggressively progressed to something like $50/100 or $20/120. After the second winner, the odds can be taken up to 10x, unless the naturals are showing, in which case I'll keep the line bet higher and still parlay it if the natural shows, otherwise using 2x odds with no natural winner.

    Granted it takes some luck, but two winners in a row have you sitting in a position where you aren't going to lose, and with continuing winners, you are going to win big, which is the primary motive of most players.

    Usually buy-in with only $300, and tend to quit when $150 or so has been lost. On occasion, the winning progressive bets bring all the excitement you need, as the bets can get large very quickly.
     
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    Crapster Dave from WA,

    All three every time? PL with odds, six and eight. Ever press any bets or place other numbers on long roll?
     
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  7. BBinWI, Nov 8, 2015

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    Koko,

    I think standing at the table is fun regardless of number of bets.

    I appreciate you sharing $ amounts. I may have missed it. What's your initial line bet? $5 witn double odds? Wasn't sure if your $10 or $25 was only after a win or where you start.
     
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    Koko,

    Also, when you parlay a come out winner, do you also increase odds to keep double?

    So, I have $5 PL and hit a natural. PL goes to $10. Odds at $10 or $20?
     
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  9. KokomoJoe4, Nov 8, 2015

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    Minimum is usually $5 and at times $10, but since I'm normally placing only one bet at a time, always start at either 10/20 or 15/30, thinking it easier to get into the desired progression starting with a little bit more.

    To each his own, but minimizing time at the table suits me better. I've lost 150 to 200 in a matter of minutes, and my best couple of winners have happened in 30-45 minutes. After all, even with a lot of winners in a row, the loser still happens pretty quickly, and with it, it's time for me to go.
     
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  10. KokomoJoe4, Nov 8, 2015

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    You can do this as you please, but I usually lay off the odds after even one natural winner.

    Regardless of your starting bet, with the natural it has doubled, so if your point comes back, you have a four for one (three to one) winner.

    Of course you lose all when the parlay fails, but I look at it as only the original wager lost from the rail.
     
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    My bag of "tricks" is pretty full. I use many different strategies, depending on what my objectives are for that session, and how I feel at the time about the value I place on the money I am about to risk.

    They range from very conservative to very aggressive. The conservative play I use is almost identical to Kokomo's play, a pass line, or come bet with a parlay, trying to take advantage of the come out roll. An aggressive play I sometimes use is to place the 6-8, and press relentlessly! :)

    I also play some "systems", some have fancy names like, La Brouche (sp), some I have invented myself, they may be reinventions, but are original to me. Most of them involve some form of progressive / regressive betting.

    So, to say how I play the game, would take some space here, and I think you may get other responses that cover most of it anyway.

    I do however, throw my hat in with Koko....limited number of bets on the low HA ones, and parlay winners.
     
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  12. wonko33, Nov 8, 2015

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    I've posted this is another thread but since you are asking I'll pull a SuperRick and copy and paste it :

    5$ table
    5 pl , I'll take single odds
    After point I place the inside numbers
    I press them on their first hit then collect until I get back my 30 some $

    Then I collect or press depending on how I feel, if I keep winning I might place the 4 & 10 or increase my odds. I very rarely call my bets off, I do it more often if my bets have been pressed over 20$ and I am next roller.

    10$ table
    Pass line single odd
    Place 6&8
    Press their first hit , then collect until I reach my 40$ "investment"
    Then I alternate pressing, collecting or placing other numbers.
    I behave the same as 5$ for calling them off ( I call off a little more often)

    General:
    I will make 5$ fire/ATS/sharpshooter on myself or my buddy, on anyone 1$ if I am ahead
    I once in a while throw in 4$ for hardways, I don't put them back if they come down, I parlay once if they hit
    - once in a while I throw 1$ midnight, if I am up I will parlay it.

    Ps buying 4-10 by pressing, my hardways , midnight bets are my "live a little" bets- they keep stuff exciting and fun for me.
     
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  13. Grizzoola, Nov 8, 2015

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    My preference is to have a bet at all times on the 6 & 8, whether as PL, Come, or Place. I bet the PL, 1 Come, & place the 6 & 8 if neither is the point or come point. I only take odds on the 6 & 8 when they're the point or come point. I stay w/ the low HA bets; my buy-in is modest, my wins are modest, and my losses are modest.

    But, that's me. Craps is a game for every personality: the aggressive high-roller, the small-time conservative, the one who wants to have fun, the one who wants to make a killing, the one who wants to hit & run, and the one who prefers long sessions.

    You have studied this game, as I have, and I'm sure you have some ideas how you want to play. Try them out. Change them if they don't work. There is no right & wrong, other than messing with the high HA bets, but if those are your joy, go with them.

    As others have repeatedly said on this board, play within your comfort zone. That's it in a nutshell. Only you know what that zone is.

    BTW, before I started playing craps, the first book I read was Richard Orlyn's "No-Nonsense Craps."
    My system is a variation on a system he suggested in this well-written, succinct, no-nonsense book on craps.
     
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  14. $nakeEye$, Nov 9, 2015

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    Solely because you ask an " honest " question -

    I will give you an " honest " answer ! -

    I have NO allegiance to either the " Right " side nor the " Wrong " side of betting ! -

    MY primary goal is to liberate as much $$$ from the table as I possibly can ! -

    ONE strategy that I implement is to LAY ACROSS ALL the box numbers and set for and hopefully hit 7's on the C/O roll -

    WHEN 1 number falls to a point established - ALL remaining LAY BETS are taken down - and I / we will endeavor to make the point that was established ! -

    OR - CONTINUE as originally planned and endeavor to " 7-OUT " ASAP - if NOT sooner ! -

    An ALTERNATIVE is to set the 2V OR X'd 6's on the C/O and THEN attempt to intentionally 7-out ASAP after a point # is established !

    LONG rolls are FEW and FAR between -

    The " 7 " is the MOST prevalent # on the dice -

    ALLOW IT to work for YOU !

    $...eE..$
     
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  15. dave_from_WA_State, Nov 9, 2015

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    BB..., No, not all three every time. I usually bet the 6/8 if I have won some hands and my winnings are accumulating a bit. Frankly it just depends upon my mood at the time but I don't perceive any 'vibrations' from the shooter or the table that might affect that mood. :rolleyes:

    Actually, my betting and progressions are fairly similar to KKJ's. I do progress (does that count as pressure? I guess so...) my free odds bet with every winning pass; place numbers, not so much. I can't remember that last time I pressed a box number bet. Take it down after a couple hits is more likely.

    I used to get bets spread out across the boxes, but as I stated I tend to stick to low house PC bets, and placing (not buying) the 4/10 gets that PC up to around 6.6 -- too much of a give-away to the house for me.

    Welcome to the board. Have fun, fellow crapster! ;)

    :D[2][3]
     
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  16. BBinWI, Nov 9, 2015

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    OAP,

    I'd love to hear ONE of your own made "systems." Perhaps the one you used a week or two ago when you said you were up $2500 before giving a bit back. Such numbers amaze me because my much smaller bets would never reach such lofty goals!
     
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    Grizz,
    Up to four bets sounds more than conservative to me, but I like the low HA bets you use.
     
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    I love that you use cinco dos to your advantage. I also think it's fun you TRY to 7-out ASAP. Can't wait to experiment with that one.
     
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    Thanks all for your responses!
     
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    I've tried all kinds of things when it didn't count. My father-in-law and I play a lot in our basements. Closest real casino is 30 mins away - Oneida in Green Bay.

    Here's what I've tried for real:
    Always buy in for $100.
    $5 min with 5x odds
    1. Don't pass with single odds
    2. Don't come, no odds, but no mini Marty as Morgue was doing
    3. Don't pass, with 1-2 don't comes, no odds. Basically a three don't Molly.
    4. Place 4 and 10. Press to $15 after first hit. Buy after second hit. Collect $50 each hit thereafter.
    5. Place 6 & 8. Two hits and down

    Goal is usually to break even or lose as little as possible. Reset after $100 plays through. Take break and start over or call it a night. Work and family don't allow frequen trips but go when I can.
     
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