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  1. twodicebilly, Feb 11, 2020

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    Everyone I have played with that sets the dice all time and has a good looking shot has been hasseled....every
    single one...…..so dont give me the TDV crap that no one gets hasseled unless they are cheating some
    way or another....

    You know better..... and yes anyone that suggests that is a liar....

    TDB
     
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  2. Dave G Ct, Feb 11, 2020

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    Good joke Liman, how true
     
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  3. TDVegas, Feb 11, 2020

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    Cheaters? No. Not the only reason.

    Short rolls, low arc, no arc, taking too long, not hitting the back wall and other attempts to possibly evade house rules might get you a remark. These are generally subjective, from casino to casino, dealer/boxman to dealer/boxman. The player may feel he's within his rights....but you're in their house, they make the rules and enforce them as they wish.

    Elbows in your way, dealers purposefully serving you dice incorrectly or slowing the game because they suspect you are a skilled shooter beating them within house rules? No, that's just stuff conjured up in paranoia, IMO. Especially as it relates to red chippers. If slowed, maybe it's just a precaution on checking the dice.

    There might be some superstitious boxmen...but these guys generally don't last long in the businesses as they are selectively harassing players without evidence of AP play. Card counting is a different story. That they have cues to pick up on that.

    With that said, I'm sure there is the occasional douchebag employee who really doesn't know what he's doing and is letting his superstition dictate bad treatment of players. Think it's the exception, in general.

    I have a lot of respect for gargoil. He's a DI. We've talked on this subject in person. He told me point blank, be respectful, abide by house rules and you will have no issues, win or otherwise. And Gargoil is not betting with $5 chips. This is a player making big bets and having big wins. I respect his opinion on this matter in total.
     
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  4. twodicebilly, Feb 11, 2020

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    YOU can talk or you can do, this is your chance.


    TDV
     
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  5. DeMango, Feb 11, 2020

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    Dave, you want every casino personnel to read this article ( piece of drivel)
     
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  6. von duck, Feb 11, 2020

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    Don't do it TDB! This guy's a jinx, like no other. Not only will you not win playing with him, but you might never win again. None of the guys that played with him on his southern trip won, and a couple of them, have never been heard from again. He's the "kiss of death", Man! Run for your life. I never could figure this guy out, but now I think I have. He's a "professional JINX", a sort of a mercenary, hired by the casinos. That's why they always comp. him everything. :cool:
     
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  7. Liman

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    come one von duck, don't be von schmuck.....that's 100% the reason everyone should jump at the chance to play with me.....whatever I bet, just be the opposite, I might make them rich.

    If memory serves me correctly, I know I won with bases loaded, hdgamblinman (he only watched), kokojoe, and maybe one session with random roller.
    I never played more than one or two sessions with most here. I cant afford to play 4 days a week and maintain a bankroll if Im doing poorly.
    although small wins, koko saw me win a few dollars on bubble, and rick I won around 75 bucks on bubble when he was in NY. (one other guy, don't recall his handle, he witnessed me win a couple of bucks on bubble also, I met him thru I believe his handle is sixshooter in ohio) I don't recall if I played the bubble with anyone else, oh, didn't win with TDvegas played at least 2 different bubbles with him, red rock and green valley.
    getting tough to remember, it all blends in, and taking oxycodones and tramadol for a couple weeks after surgery, really fucks up the head, its just clearing up now.

    my main problem these days is that I want to play in so many casinos, my play is less aggressive. And that hurts me in the long run. when the table or bubble get hot, I don't push anywhere like I used to. Want to live to play the next day in the next casino.

    but Im not that much of a jinx.
     
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  8. random_roller, Feb 11, 2020

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    On occasion, I've been politely reminded to hit the back wall with both dice at Rivers Casino. So have many other shooters, random & DIs. The night shift boxmen & dealers know me. I'm respectful to them, make bets for the crew. All of them know I'm not intentionally trying miss the back wall when a die fails to hit it. But when it happens a few times during a roll and they say something, I know they're only doing their job. I'll laugh and request the magnets be turned off. Other players are far more disruptive than anything the crew might do at the craps table. IMO, it's not even close.
     
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  9. random_roller, Feb 11, 2020

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    Next time you're planning on visiting Chicago, let me know. Will be happy to meet up again at Rivers Casino or another of the 8 other casinos in the area. Perhaps we can even talk mssthis1 into driving in from the cornfields Iowa.
     
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  10. von duck, Feb 12, 2020

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    Whatever you say Shleprock. :D
    My play has also become much more conservative. I rarely lose, but the winners are much smaller. :) My goal on entering the casino, is to "WIN SOMETHING" if you do that, then at least your stake is intact, for the next time.
    Ya know, I was just thinking. If two jinxes play with each other, does their bad luck double, or do they cancel each other out? :cool:
     
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  11. Dave G Ct, Feb 12, 2020

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    Did not look at it in that manner.You are correct.
     
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  12. twodicebilly, Feb 12, 2020

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    The back wall thing happens often if you use that type of shot, so I
    quit using it. Even if you hit the back wall I have been asked to hit harder.

    I certainly tip and I am respectful to the crew. My point is that TDV has made the point as he always does indicating any DI that is hasseled had been impolite or done something wrong......TDV is wrong......again

    Now I asked a couple of times, I will be there this week and he can see what I am talking about or he can keep talking about things he knows nothing about.

    My friend here uses the GTC shot and he misses the back wall all the time, and they give him
    crap for that and at times he gets mad and will leave the table...that is his fault, he knows it and still gets mad. the GTC shot is designed to hit the back wall, so you hit it...period.... my shot is designed to not hit the alligator board, but I never get hasseled for that.

    TDB
     
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  13. Mssthis1, Feb 12, 2020

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    It's a relatively simple matter to do a root cause analysis to figure out why you're getting what you perceive as unnecessary heat.

    After you identify why, then you decide if you want to rectify it or live with it.

    It may be something as simple as a suit/suits with a chip on their shoulder or it may be a little more complex.

    I've heard many people complain about heat with particular suits at Bally's and Paris in Vegas. Personally, I haven't experienced it but these days I've usually played through those places by 6am so they may be on other shifts.

    I learned a toss from G that looks like it hits the back wall but it doesn't and I have never caught any heat using it. He didn't even charge anything.
     
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  14. twodicebilly, Feb 12, 2020

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    in the end it is their casino so your going to have live with it
    or play some where else.

    TDB
     
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  15. random_roller, Feb 12, 2020

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    We're in agreement if a shooter misses hitting the back wall with both dice a few times during a roll the crew *should* be reminding him/her that both dice need to hit the back wall. We're also in agreement that doesn't constitute heat -- it's the casino personnel enforcing the house rules, which is their responsibility. Not issuing this public service announcement in a timely manner will result in problems with other shooters at the table who also miss (and then hear the PSA). That's the worst possible scenario, when players feel the rules aren't being applied fairly to all who shoot the dice.

    I've played craps in many different casinos throughout the world over the years, probably at more different ones than most people on this forum. Well, excluding LID because he can time travel and go play at now-shuttered casinos. I have only seen the boxman order the dice passed a handful; of times. On each such occasion the shooter had been repeatedly warned to hit the back wall with both dice after failing to do so. Even after multiple warnings, the shooter only lost the dice by becoming increasingly belligerent to the point where the game had basically ground to a halt.

    I can't speak to your particular situation because I have not (knowingly) played at a craps table while you were shooting. Hopefully we'll get that opportunity someday.
     
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  16. twodicebilly, Feb 12, 2020

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    there is no question that a player can draw some attention
    to themselves and if that happens you can hardly blame the casino.

    I am sure when I first started the GTC thing when I first got hasseled
    I was upset,here I try to get better, and then they piss and moan about it.

    I learned that lesson a long time ago, just be nice and if you have a comment be nice.

    Today what baffles me is like the last time at the Trop...the table was empty, when the it boss gave me a hard time on roll 28 or 29 and
    I quit, what the point of that.....the table was now full, I was tipping
    so what was the point ??????

    If I had a casino, I would have a 10 feet sign over the table which said dice setters welcome......it will make me money in the long run

    TDB
     
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  17. TDVegas, Feb 12, 2020

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    Agreed.

    Isn’t it really as simple as admitting to yourself “my shot might skirt the edge of house rules from time to time and get called out”.....depending on who might be working that day.....?
     
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    so from what I read here, and how Ive been addressed, it seems billy is insulting every other DI shooter that Ive played with on this board.
    its obvious, even though they all feel they have good mechanics, skill, etc.....Ive never seen a dealer or pit boss give them anything but an hello and warm greeting.
    its only billy, the casinos harass billy. so why is that?
    its probably obvious, and Im sure if he met me once and played with me, I could straighten out his problems with casinos harassing him, Id let him know exactly what hes doing wrong.
    it certainly isn't being too good, or too pretty of a shot......hahahaha.........WHAT THE FUCK IS A PRETTY SHOT?
    billy, Im trying to be nice, but youre posts are comical. You post I must play bingo, but Ive played with half the active posters on this board,and half of them are dice setters.

    maybe its you that really never goes into a casino, and when you visit those sweat joints that allow 2 or 3 dollar bets, yeah, I can see those miserable piece of shit dealers that cant get hired in any casino giving you some grief, regardless if you di shoot or not. they are miserable, misery loves company.
    I played in jokers wild I was eyeballed like I was a threat to national security when I played 3 dollars flat with 30 dollars odds.

    decent casinos don't worry about shitkickers like you betting 5 or 10 dollars with a 200 dollar bankroll.

    decent casinos welcome dice setters with open arms.

    dice setters that slow down the game, that disrupt flow with late bets, with constant 1 dollar changing bets, off, on, on off, take me down, put my 3 dollars back, no I wanted 2 dollars odds, not 3 dollars, hold up the game where is my one dollar hard 6.........YES, YOU WILL GET SHIT FROM DEALERS IN A DECENT CASINO FOR THAT TYPE OF RETARDED PLAY, AND THE PROBLEM IS iM WILLING TO BET YOURE ONE OF THOSE TYPE GUYS THAT DRIVE DEALERS INSANE WITH THE OFF AND ON 1 DOLLAR BETS.

    no need to convinve anyone here you are a master at dice control and the casinos are on the lookout for people like you.

    its becoming laughable.

    and also, stop calling half the members here liars, as Ive played with so many of them, craps, on real tables, not bingo.so they've all seen me play and Ive seen them play,

    get a grip, youre nothing special, just the run of the mill jokers wild type of craps player who thinks because hes 70 years old he knows more than someone else at a craps table.
     
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  19. twodicebilly, Feb 12, 2020

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    Your free to think what ever you want....like I told TDV I will there this week
    he can come play with me at a casino and I will show him what I mean. after
    that the cat is out of the bag, because he will have to admit what he sees.

    TDB
     
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  20. TDVegas, Feb 12, 2020

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    What exactly is supposed to happen?

    You are getting called out for a toss the crew feels is skirting or on the edge of infringing on house rules? You are getting called out for being slow?

    That's possible.

    Tell us....what do you expect to happen or think is going to happen? They are going to say “you’re too good for us, so we are backing you off”...?

    Saying "I get heat".....without saying why doesn't mean much. You could certainly get heat, as Liman noted...for a lot of things.

    So tell us, what exactly is the heat for?

    You do understand that house rules are their rules and you can't tell them what is or is not an acceptable toss....?
     
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