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Discussion in 'General Craps Discussion' started by DeMango, Feb 10, 2020.
Oh, you said big stick.
You asked me what I meant by hard time, I told you,
you indicted this …..When KF finally appeared, he shot out of the 1:4/4:1 V6, had a nice long roll, and had his roll stopped by the suits, apparently for shooting too low.
The suits pulled him aside and had a long talk with him. Don't remember the details, but I guess they feared he might be sliding the dice?
do you consider that a hard time????? and if the dice are clearly rolling not sliding which makes it
a legal shot......is that a reasonable hard time.....????
The only reason I jumped into the conversation about casino heat is because of this one time I met up with a DI, he got scolded, looked at by multiple suits, then had the game stopped, the dice taken from him, and got a private lecture.
Yes, to me this is a big deal. It happened only a couple of years ago, by my fucking memory is so poor I don't even recall what KF told me they bitched at him about - it was probably they thought he might be sliding.
You don't think it is something out of the ordinary when they take dice away from a shooter?
To me, IMO...the fact that these long rolls (100+) are noted and recorded and advertised kind of throws a bit of cold water on Scoblete's story about the captain rolling 147 times.
No documentation, no back up, nothing. Wasn't Scoblete fond of "selling" as a means of advertising his crews exploits?
147 is utterly humongous.
If Mr. 122 was on my team and I was selling books...damn straight I want Harrah's verifying this AND putting it out there.
Re: The Philadelphia Story.......One of the posts said that the shooter won $36,000 and the table lost $80,000. That sounds like either bullshit or the worst craps players in history. 4 hours and 5 minutes roll.....An hour into that, I'm betting hardways and pressing the hell out of them because a 7 ain't coming for another 3 hours.
I had a 40-45 minute roll on a $5 table at the Nugget and won $5235 and had $2000 on the table when I sevened. If I had three more hours, I'd still be shittin' in tall cotton today. And I'm a piker at the table. Fun story anyway. Keep 'em coming. I know that I'm adding this Harrah's site to my FB.
Planning a trip to Philly for a trip to Harrah's and a cheesesteak sub.
A lot of players concerned about that 7 finally making an appearance.
Tough to second guess what was happening on the table.
Pat DeMauro made peanuts on her 154 roll.
The number of rolls only tells a small part of the story. I'd like to see what the actual rolls were. How many comeout sevens, horn numbers, points made etc. Maybe there was a boatload of comeout sevens and many players were woco. Who knows?
Or, maybe this shooter rolled a ton of 6 and eights at a table full of field posse players? I've seen that more than once.
One thing to note. They had to replay the security tape at least once to get the number of rolls and time verified. The eye in the sky also plays a big part in what some players perceive as heat. If security can't see what your dice are doing, if you move around your pass line bet to get it out of the way of your toss, hands blocking them from seeng the dice while you're setting them etc, you can be sure the phone will soon be ringing.
One of my favorite casino sayings is it's all fun and games until the phone rings.
The trick is to know Dugan is still three hours out. My last visit I had been taking copious gas when I caught fire. My prior misfortune had made me gun shy, however, so I did not rack nearly as much as I "should" have. Brings to mind the following.
Scoblete's write-up of the Captain's 147 rolls
From my perspective, the absence of credible 3rd party verification of the alleged 147 roll by the Captain at an Atlantic City casino speaks volumes. Social media wasn't as pervasive back then (@2005) as it is today, but it existed. There were also newspapers, radio & tv stations -- all with reporters -- capable of covering such a story if it had happened. Nada.
Borgata Press Release -- No mention of the Captain, only Fujitake's previous record.
I have to agree. Frank was all about promotion, hype, advertising, etc....
There should be some confirmation by a 3rd party or the casino itself. 147 is epic, out of this world. No chance it stays under the casino radar and no way is Frank (the ultimate promoter) saying no to....promotion.
getting a table at genos OUTSIDE in the freezing cold is tough enough, I think pats has a few tables covered from weather, but Id still choose genos.
Ive been on some 45 minute rolls in my lifetime. I always try to keep it a bit aggressive with presses, but always try to keep my table bets no more than 20% of what Im winning, so if the 7 pops up, I don't lose it all back. I tend to be more aggressive on short rolls, trying to get to that up 1000 mark, it hurts when the 7 comes and I have 380 dollars on the table.
after the 30 minute mark, it feels as if you (well, me when I play) become invincible, and the 7 is like an insult when it pops up.
I replayed that hand in my mind a hundred times and I'm proud of how I played it. I figure that I threw about 60 times. I did not throw much junk (2-3-11-12) at all. Once I got going, I collected 2x before aggressively pressing every third hit. I probably cashed out more than the rest of the table combined. The guy next to me had a $5 DP bet on a 10 and I must have thrown 20x before sevening out. So he won $5. I never made a 10 during my hand, although I never play the ATS bet. The Nugget had ATS at the time. This was the 2nd night of our 4 night stay. I tipped the boys $235 and kept the white chip, which is my avatar. The dealers treated me great the rest of the week and I think that I went home $4000 up. I'm glad that I had one good roll in my lifetime. I haven't been close to another one since.
This is Mr Dave Guacamole
Sounds like a SRT with a 122 roll. How many were on axes tosses of the dices. I would have made at least $75 on that roll if I would bet on the randie.
I don't know what a/an SRT is. Help?
Re: axes tosses: I am not a DI. I am a DH (Not Designated Hitter, Dick Head)
I don't know what a randie is either. Help?
I went to the wife last week to tell my what IDGAF is. No shit.
all those repeaters and not too much junk, the kind of rolls dreams are made of.
congrats I didn't even see the part where you said you rolled it.
whats more impressive, way more impressive then the win, is the way you left way up with 2 more nights on your stay.
Im not an ATS bettor much, nor fire bet type, but I do when I start winning a few bucks. I keep hoping one day Ill get to a 5 point firebet or an all all so I can immediately increase my flat and odds bets and go big knowing if I press too hard too fast my all all or firebet will bail me out. Hasn't happened yet.
So about 10 minutes before I crapped out my wife walks up to me and starts talking to the girlfriend of the guy next to me who has the $5 DP bet and nothing else. She’s shooting the shit and I’m stuffing blacks in my pocket so that I can squirrel a couple grand away. She’s clueless about craps and is oblivious to what’s going on. I hit a $500-5 and a $600-6 back to back and she finally says, “Are those black chips?” Busted. A few rolls later, the inevitable happens. After going to the cage and then to the room safe, we crashed at the GN lounge and had a couple. Earlier that day, we had gone to the Hoover Dam. Helluva great day.
The other reason Scoblete's whopper of a fish story is dubious is he indicated the Captain rolled 147 times in 2 hours 18 minutes, or about a roll a minute. Perhaps the craps dealers at the table that night were Speedy Gonzalez, Flash Gordon and Roadrunner.
Think about how long it takes for the dealers to take down losing bets, pay out & press winning bets, and set up new bets when there are a lot of chips on the table after, say, 30 rolls. Now imagine what that would be like at 50, 80 or 100 rolls. The table would be really crowded, I suspect, an hour into a great roll.
Compare that (2:18) with 4 hours 18 minutes for DeMauro to roll 154 times, and over 3 hours for Fujitake to roll 118 times. Even the 122 roll effort the other day at Harrah's Philadelphia took slightly more than 4 hours. Something just doesn't add up. Remember that Sesame Street sketch "On of these things..."?
Frank Scoblete is an entertaining writer, I'll grant him that. As for The Captain rolling 147 times before a 7 out on a craps table in an Atlantic City casino? You might have a better chance finding video of me blocking Cris Carter's shot in a basketball game years ago.
Longest roll I ever had was around an hour twenty. Went through 4 dealer changes but I don't know how long it was other than that.
Toward the end it was well over 2 minutes in between rolls, if a hardway or pass line winner rolled it was 3 or 4 minutes. They also stopped the game to do two fills.
Best part of that roll was I took my Dad that trip and he got to see the last 20 minutes or so of it. I had him get slot buckets so I could put chips in them on the drink rail.
What I have been indicating is that casino heat happens often and the idea that
a player has to be cheating or acting like an ass hole is nonsense.
The question is when it happens,what do you do ?