Had biggest Hand EVER. 69 Hand +$72k

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  1. TDVegas, Jan 12, 2016

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    He thanked Rick for finally getting him to take a class. Rick is on record as saying DI classes are basically just a money making scam. One of them is bullshitting. No?
     
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  2. hartzehn22, Jan 12, 2016

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    TDV- Honestly, I don't know Rick or the other guy and I don't know anything about any DI classes that are out there. My opinion about DI in general is that you have to figure out what works for you in terms of shooting style and betting. I can't really comment on any DI class because I've never been to one. Are DI Classes a scam? Maybe. Are DI classes helpful for newbies starting out? Maybe? Are DI classes misleading and a waste of money and or a scam? Maybe. I'm sure that all DI classes are not created equal and that some may actually be more beneficial then others. I do believe in DI but I'm not sure what is actually taught in DI courses. I known that dice influence exists for me personally and that is based on what I have studied on my own not from any DI class.
     
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  3. lone irish digit, Jan 12, 2016

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    I believe VDC. He has a good rep in Vegas. But what I don't understand is why anyone would pay for the Little Joe off-axis toss when all the parts are available in the cloud? Works from Linaway, Heavy, HRR, VDC, and a general knowledge of quick setting gives you all you need to know about off-axis tossing without signing any non-disclosure statements besides dropping a thousand. It's no panacea but gives you a fighting chance on microfiber. By the way I sending this from a plane since the Germans sent me home today because they thought I was an American migrant.
     
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    well, at least we know some here have interests other than craps.
     
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  5. AdvantageCrapsPlayer, Jan 12, 2016

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    Hey knucklehead. He never could describe or show me the shot as many times as I played with him. He just told me it works and gives you an alternative to Parr.

    I think when he is referring to Parr DI schools, not DI schools in general . Hey I still use Parr and I've seen first hand SR and Harley use Parr. They just use Parr far less than OA. Why? Can't answer for them but I'm gonna say it's because of the forgiving nature the OA shot.

    Sometimes the OA can't do squat and Parr rules for the day. But most times I'm never even attempting Parr bc my other shots work better and on a more consistent basis.

    This is the reason I have confidence to power press my bets with no pressure. I know it's just a matter of a few hands, maybe the first maybe the 5th that I'll get in a groove and get to 20 + box hits. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that would be their statement too.

    Here's my roll data this past week from my favorite watering hole. I say that Bc those who know me know where it is: I struggled early on and lost $100 a hand like 6-7 straight times. Than had this one:

    4/10 WOTCO
    4,6,4,
    4,h6,8,8,h8,9,10,3,h8,10,9,8,10,8,9,h10,10,4, (20 box hits so reduce) 6,7out .

    $64 across... Do the math. Drop off change on H6 and H8. If you play it out you will see that 20 box hits nets $3500 with phase 2 of progression set up $75 on 4,5,9,10 and $120/ 6-8. Next 2 rolls were 6, then 7out.

    That $3500 covered me for my 6 duds with 46 to go before I can go negative. 3 days later I have 5-6 duds then the 69 hits.

    My personal opinion, if you have a skillset and your skillset can get you to a 25-30 roll hand 1:50. Then you can't lose. It cost me around $70 a hand. If it's a bonus table like ATS it goes to $100 overall risk.

    Will I have 20 duds that don't make 20 box hit. I'm sure. But now I'm on house $$$ and it affords me a lot of misses. Betting big out if gate is stupidity. Those who do ISR hoping their SRR comes into play. 660 across and get 4 hits then regress down to $160 across. Take 3-4 hits then regress to $86 across for 4-5 hits then regress to $64 across for a few more hits.

    So the win $140 4 times that's $560
    The won $35 4 times. That's $149
    They win $21 4 times. That's $84
    They win $14 4 times that's $56
    Now the press the next 4 hits.
    So we are 20 paid hits into this hand.
    Their up $840. I'm up $3500. Rotflmmfao
    Their risk to the 7 in first 4 rolls was $660., mine was $64. We all know the PSO are unpredictable right? Well say you get 3 before you get paid. Wells your -$1980. I'm -$180. Did I mention you could take a break for 2 hours while my $64 is dividing into your $1980 and While your resting I'm attempting to hit a 20 hand. I could shoot 30 more times over the next month and still be ahead of you without ever hitting one hand past 20

    Do the math. The guys who can't shoot worth a damn have to try something Bc they can't get to 20+. So they have to risk more

    The guys in my group risk less, get a bigger ROR and ROI because our LJ skillset and OA skillset enables us more consistent rolls into high 20,30,40,50 etc.

    Nuff said

    I'm out. GL to all
    Har then thank for the support. Greatly appreciated in a rough forum. :)
     
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  6. lone irish digit, Jan 12, 2016

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    yea...but hows your skipping stone toss?
     
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  7. Onautopilot, Jan 12, 2016

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    "Listen children, to a story written long ago....about a DI Kingdom on the mountain....and the valley random rollers far below.......".
     
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  8. tabletop123, Jan 12, 2016

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    Well, when you look at the Grand Scheme of things, $64 is a pretty small investment to potentially win $3500 or more.

    If you fail the first ten times, you're still in FAT CITY. However, thats assuming you CAN fire off a twenty roll hand.

    Regarding the$64 risk factor for the 10-15 losing hands trying to fire off that twenty roller......... Here's a guy that clearly showed pretty lucrative banking activity.


    Think VDC is REALLY concerned about possibly losing a Grand trying to make $3500 or better?

    I DONT THINK SO! Now, i know absolutely NOTHING of this Guy, but I'm assuming that he's pulling the plug after 10-15 unsuccessful attempts & accepting the loss.

    Live to fight another Day, & after all, the Guy does reside in the Gaming Capital of the world. Over 300 tables to choose from. Must be nice, huh?
     
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  9. TDVegas, Jan 12, 2016

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    There is little doubt he is suffering fairly big losses when those longer rolls don't materialize. If he's a regular, my vote says he's down big for 2015.
     
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  10. tabletop123, Jan 12, 2016

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    TDVegas: You Di guys chuckle me to no end. You post on this forum as if you are raping the Casinos.

    TdVegas: Every time i look around, you talented Dice Influencers are at the $3.00 tables. Whats up with that?

    TdVegas: Get your knit betting, wanabe Di'ng ass up to the $50 tables & ply the skill that you feverishly boast of . You no like money? Dont you believe in your toss?

    Dice Influencer : HELL YEAH, I BELIEVE IN MY TOSS TO THE FULLEST! Its just the results that I'm still a little "Gun Shy" about! Lol

    TdVegas: Typical dam Dice Influencer's Response.

    TdVegas: Well, i'm headed to the tennis courts. Cant wait to read what these Di's think of next! Lol
     
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  11. tabletop123, Jan 12, 2016

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    TdVegas: if anyone needs me, I'll be on the courts hitting a few balls until my Bullshit meter starts ticking again! Lol
     
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    If I could play craps with an advantage. I'd be meeting my gumar for lunch not my boss
     
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  13. superrick, Jan 13, 2016

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    Well your 100% Wrong on that one, sometimes I would go into the El Dorado casino in Henderson when they had a craps table there. It just so happened to be a $1 table and was great to practice on, or try new shots out in the casino.

    There were a few dealers that were really good dealers and I couldn't figure out why they worked there. There also was a very loud obnoxious BJ player that would switch playing BJ and come to the craps table. It turned out as the dealers told me just so happened to be one of the best sports book guys in the Vegas area, that had a sports book bet service.

    He would give the craps dealers some of his bets to bet on each week for nothing. That was the reason they stayed working there and didn't move on to a different casino where they could very easily have may more money. They were quite happy with all of the bets he was telling them to make and it all was tax-free money. So there are guys that do know what they are doing when it comes to sports bet betting and some of them do have a money making service that they do sell and it's not a scam.

    A scam is when someone is telling you or selling you something under false pretense! By buying this, you're going to win hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, just by taking our class, just look at how much money the madprofessor makes each year. The scam artist uses nothing but fiction to sell what they are selling.
     
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  14. KokomoJoe4, Jan 13, 2016

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    Ah, but you haven't seen LID's appetizer, have you 7uwin? That might be her in the recent European photo he posted with himself and OAP on parade.

    Remember when Vito's gumar was bitching at him about a lack of effort? Little did she know.
     
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  15. TDVegas, Jan 13, 2016

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    He's not selling his picks. Hey, I tell people all the time who I thought was the pick of the week last week...Greenbay. Far different than creating a website and advertising my services for a fee.

    It's an old con game, Rick.---sports picking services. They convince 100 schlumps to pay them. They tell 50 to pick Washington and the other 50 to pick Greenbay. The 50 people on Greenbay win. So, next week they are paying again for his pick. Then those 50 winners refer a friend about this guy and he recruits another 50 without doing a thing. It's a constant hustle. You live in Vegas, Rick...you know it's a hustlers town and ground zero for every con known to man, with DI schools on the list.
     
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  16. basicstrategy777, Jan 13, 2016

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    Works with horseracing as well.

    Send out 5000 letters each one containing a different horse as winner for a particular race.......duplicate that a second time by sending to the people that got a winning letter .......do it a third time and you will have believers....why? ......you always picked a winner.

    People will pay you good money for that 4th letter and beyond.

    777
     
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  17. superrick, Jan 13, 2016

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    Did you read my post TD, he had a sports bet service that he was selling his picks, the dealers were getting them free! We all should know that Billy Waters is the best sports book guy I there is around, but he does not sell anything!

    If I had all of his resources and was winning as much as he is reported to be winning, I damn sure wouldn't be selling anything. The same thing goes for the so-called DI thing. If I could do what these claim to do I damn sure wouldn't be working! I wouldn't have a day that took me away from my family and I had to travel all over the country just to make a living selling Jeep parts!

    These DI schools make their money off of their students, not the craps tables. With a 3% claim of success at what they are teaching, I don't like those odds. The truth of the matter it should be at 1 % or less! There is a major drop-off rate on those so-called DI boards and that tells the real story!

    The game of craps is not a game for the faint of heart. It really takes years to learn how to play the game. The learning curve is a long and dangerous one. Where your betting strategies change over time!
    We only have to look at all of the slow-motion videos that we can now look at because of the cheap slow-motion video cameras and cell phones!

    We now know what the dice really do when they hit the tables and that is they are totally random once they hit the table. It just doesn't even matter if the hit the back wall!

    These so-called DI schools will not go away because there is always going to e someone looking for the magic bullet and there is none! In the next few weeks I would like to meet up with TDVegas, but right now I'm in a relapse of my really bad cold, and I wouldn't want to give it to him! I have nothing to prove to him, but I think we could come to a mutual understanding as to what is happening with these brainwashed guys that buy into the so-called DI thing.

    As I have said many times before I have a lot of winning days, but I also have losing days when nothing goes right. My shooting could look perfect and I still could be losing, because you never know when that seven is coming! The so-called DI's have a lot of PSO's when they are trying hard to influence the dice! They can't figure out what is happening with their shooting. One of the things that these schools do not teach is how to fix something that is going wrong on the tables.

    No, they want their students to keep coming back until they burn them out! That way they keep getting those AfterGlow Fees, and keep making money off of their refresher courses!
     
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  18. TDVegas, Jan 13, 2016

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    Low blood sugar;)
     
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  19. TDVegas, Jan 13, 2016

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    Why would anyone who has mastered sports handicapping and can beat the casino....sell his services, thus exposing himself to scrutiny?

    Just go and do.

    Why some people can't understand the basic fundamental flaw of selling a system, a DI school or a sports handicapping service is beyond me. I don't know what his situation was with providing free picks...but just the fact that he was selling tells me something is fugazy. You don't sell advantage play. You do.

    If his picks are so good...why are these guys he's providing with these winning picks continuing to work?
     
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  20. superrick, Jan 13, 2016

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    Look TD we do agree on some things, selling something that will keep making yo money is just plan stupid, when it come to anything that will beat the casinos.

    You got to love the guy that found a slot machine that had a bug and he was taking out a steady flow of cash, then he started telling all of his friends about it and guess what they casino shut it down. The poor guy couldn't figure out what happened!
     
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