Hedge2invest with 5 level Piggyback Martingale Strategy

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  1. BuckShot, Mar 24, 2019

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    Hedge2invest with 4 level Piggyback Martingale Strategy. All fun aside, we are doing this as a business to include the following:
    • Betting the DON'T PASS Line
    • Hedging (Placing the point with equivalent total of DON'T PASS line bet)
    • Investing the difference (Place betting)
    • 4 level Martingale system (Loss Recovery)
    • Slush funds (Surplus, Deficit)
    • Bankroll Management with total investment of (Mini-Martingale $2300) or (Full-Martingale $3000) (Mini-Martingale stacks of $200, $300, $600, $1200) or Full-Martingale stacks of $200, $400, $800, $1600)
    • Balancing the budget
    Please watch the video for demo.
     
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  2. TDVegas, Mar 24, 2019

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    Martingales can (and will) be a very, very dangerous play. If the "shit hits the fan" early on in the overall session count....you'll be playing a lifetime and hoping for a bunch of good luck to just get back even.

    Hedge strategies are generally...as a rule, no good. Dilutes wins and raises the house edge.

    Hedging is rampant on electronic craps (bubble craps).....

    Pick your poison and run with it. Other than health, vehicle and home....I'm not a fan of "insurance" of any kind. It's a money maker for the guy you're paying.

    Good luck with "Hedge2Invest" if you choose to incorporate it in life play.
     
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  3. BuckShot, Mar 24, 2019

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    I'll know tonight how it goes at the live tables. I'm gonna start with a minimum $200 ($100 Don't Pass + $100 for Hedge2invest on point and place bets)
     
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  4. von duck, Mar 24, 2019

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    You say that "hedging" is rampant on the bubble, and you say that it is a poor way to play, so are you saying that the bubble attracts a very "LOW CALIBER" group of players? :) We didn't think so. :D
     
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  5. yacraps, Mar 24, 2019

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    Good luck with that
     
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  6. von duck, Mar 24, 2019

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    I see a couple of "MINOR" problems if you hedge with the amount of the don't bet. And more problems with come-out losers. There is also a problem that if you win the don't bet, you have to lose the investment bets, but not necessarily lose money. You have it set-up pretty "weak" in my opinion. Give it a shot, and let us know what happens, win, lose or draw. We'll be waitin.
     
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  7. BuckShot, Mar 24, 2019

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    I do understand as in "WEAK" as i'm trying to utilize the smallest starting bank roll for each session and I also made a slight adjustment to the 4 tier Marty as follows:
    1. Stack One is 200 chips
    2. Stack Two is 300 chips
    3. Stack Three is 600 chips
    4. Stack four is 1200 chips
    So my total bank roll for this program is $2300

    As far as investment bets, they are "equal" to the total of the DP bet so not loss there.
     
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  8. James Hall, Mar 24, 2019

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    Insurance ain't worth a damn ,,, UNTIL YOU NEED IT.
     
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    Those folks measure success by how long it takes
    to lose their original bankroll.
     
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  10. BuckShot, Mar 24, 2019

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    Hey guys, it is 11pm est time here and I am off to the casino for an all nighter. If you don't hear from me by 8am then I most likely will still be there for as long as my energy holds up. See you soon!!!
     
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  11. von duck, Mar 25, 2019

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    I thought the "investment" bets, were equal to the difference between the DP and the "hedge" payoff? If you win the DP, then you would lose the "hedge" plus the "investment" bets. Your holding whatever the payoffs were on whatever investment bets have hit. Add to this the come-out losers, and I see rough waters. Wear your life vest. :)
     
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  12. BuckShot, Mar 25, 2019

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    You're miss-understanding something here. The "SECOND stack is equal to the Don't Pass Bet" (hedge point bet + Invest the rest chips)

    You never need to bet more than the two equal stacks of chips.

    Anyway, I've realized from yesterday nights craps session at the live tables that the martingale style betting may leave some people with sad faces so I've added another video demo on the CRAPS HEDGE2INVEST 555 Strategy. (No Martingale) for those interested. The $555 bankroll is very nice for live table play and is also equivalent to the ULTIMATE66 strategy for reaching your goal. Enjoy!

     
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  13. TDVegas, Mar 25, 2019

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    Martingales are dangerous.

    Losing sessions are one thing....they happen. Being on the bad side of a Marty bust out can and will be a miserable day for a gambler.

    It’s bound to happen. The only question....when?
     
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  14. BuckShot, Mar 25, 2019

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    TDVegas I agree with you on that 100%. It's worry free till you start losing then it becomes next to impossible to get it all back. Last nights live table sessions did not overwhelm me or anyone.

    Last night at the casino I had a rough start with a "Yo Eleven" on come out roll followed by a 7 in my next roll had me down -$400 in chips and got me chasing my money most of the first hour in play just trying to recover a -$400 deficit.

    It was "risky" I eventually dropped the martingale part and stuck with just Hedging an average bank roll of 500 chips. (270 Don't Pass & 270 Hedge)

    The $555 bankroll is very nice for live table play and is also equivalent to the ULTIMATE66 strategy for reaching your goal. Enjoy!

     
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  15. von duck, Mar 25, 2019

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    A martingale, or any other way of betting, will sometimes lose, so what is the big news. Buckshot does not know how to efficiently apply the martingale. A martingale or close cousin, properly applied, is a bitch for the house to "take down", and they f'kin hate butting heads with it, and you know it. :confused: Maybe you don't. Know it. :)
     
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  16. von duck, Mar 25, 2019

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    So what was the bottom line Man? You can tell us, most of us have been there. :) If you don't want to tell, most of us, have also, been there. :cool:
     
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  17. von duck, Mar 25, 2019

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    It's NOT your starting bet that is weak. It's your overall application of the Marty, but you will most likely know this before long. :) I think I have at least "pencil-whipped" if not played, every possible system, and few, that were NOT possible. :cool:
     
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  18. BuckShot, Mar 25, 2019

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    I told you, last night i went down right away, and changed my tune on the marty, and spent about 4 hrs there working on replenishing my bank roll.

    I went up two levels on the marty and then just stuck with $270 on the don't and caught a nice run of more than 15 numbers followed by another run of 12 numbers in the 4am hour. most of the morning was basically just up and down. All in all the slots did get the best of my wife and I for $500ish and we left casino just after breakfast. The martingale looked good but when you get 300.00 down just in the first few minutes, it sucks.
     
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  19. BuckShot, Mar 25, 2019

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    Round 2 of the Craps Hedge2invest 555 strategy.

     
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  20. James Hall, Mar 25, 2019

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    One thing more difficult to recover from is suicide
     
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