Hey guys is anybody else here a student of Tony Leo??

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  1. TDVegas, Mar 6, 2019

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    i haven't gone thru each and every scenario he uses to bet but it seems he's a fan of betting on all 30 right side outcomes, every roll?

    If I thought it was viable as a regular play....I would encourage all of us to dump our current strategies and "get paid on 30 outcome winners vs. only 6 outcome losers." What's not to like?

    My problem? I think we all go broke eventually and casino revenue soars. Regular play.

    Trust me, I like getting paid on 30 of 36 rolls. Sounds logical. Great.

    I just think reality tells another story.

    I like Mike Tysons wording as an analogy....

    "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth".

    "Everyone has a plan until early 7 outs start showing"
     
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  2. Mssthis1, Mar 6, 2019

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    That's the reason I've never been a fan of hop bets. If all your losing hop bets are diluting the winner why do it? You're better off just making a place bet where only a seven is going to take it down instead of hopping several numbers.


    In my lifetime you can count all the hop bet's I've made on one hand. Last weekend though for whatever reason Basicstrategy777's have a hunch bet a bunch overcame me and I had a feeling the next roll was going to be a four. I hopped the easy and hard 4 for $2 each.

    Next roll was a hard 4 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
     
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  3. TDVegas, Mar 6, 2019

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    I see a LOT of what I call "dilution betting" on bubble craps. Not a fan.

    Just because bubble craps makes it easy to make a lot of bets...doesn't mean you should.
     
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  4. Stuart Brandt, Mar 6, 2019

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    VERY WELL SAID GUYS.
     
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  5. James Hall, Mar 6, 2019

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    Flat statement , no facts , no proof.
    Based on random outcomes , has no gearing in his situation.
    Brash statement , no proof , pure speculation.
     
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  6. James Hall, Mar 6, 2019

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    The fact that you have not met Superman and have
    no clue as to what kind of game he plays ,
    once again simply SPECULATION.
    DFace it BUB you have no way to verify anything
    you posted here , you're whole post is based on random outcomes.
     
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  7. James Hall, Mar 6, 2019

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    YES
     
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  8. James Hall, Mar 6, 2019

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    If I had to guess?
    Give it up TDV it's never going to be what you want it to be.
    People may use many different methods during practice
    to establish a betting pattern / strategy that you might not
    like or approve of.
     
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  9. James Hall, Mar 6, 2019

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    How and when did that become your job.
     
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  10. DeMango, Mar 6, 2019

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    Brings up my last session at Hard Rock. Point was 4. The hand went on for a few rollswhen inspiration struck. Two way hard 4 [email protected] Added $25 to odds as hedge. Next roll 3/1. I’m pissed. Comeout roll, hop the hard four [email protected] use the all7’s to double pitch. Bam! 2/2, @155 and down, dealers happy, I’m ecstatic!

    Normally I try to double pitch a HW’s set into a 7, on the comeout. The game everyone forgets about.
     
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  11. TDVegas, Mar 6, 2019

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    Correct. This, like yours, as read here, is an opinion based statement.
    Correct. As offered, this is viewed here as my opinion. Much like anything you say here. These statements are viewed here as an opinion and the reader makes up his own mind.

    I accept that.
     
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    The big difference is generally a punch in the mouth will end
    a fight.

    In craps an early 7 out just ends one session.
     
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  13. Mssthis1, Mar 6, 2019

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    What are the odds at Hard Rock Biloxi? I can't remember.
     
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    Im not sure where you getting the 10ssr or sor from, in his video he shows 5 sets he rolled and each of those was about 6 to 7 rolls then explains the bets he took
     
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  15. TDVegas, Mar 6, 2019

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    I was only referencing what Stuart said Tony claimed....
     
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  16. tabletop123, Mar 6, 2019

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    Nope.....6.3 Long term is being EXTREMELY generous. It would constitute being able to play the game " for a living"!

    6.3 Long term gives you roughly a 3% advantage over the 6/8. Doable? YOU TELL ME!
     
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  17. tabletop123, Mar 6, 2019

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    It shouldn't end anything. NOT for a " Stepper". NOT for a skilled shooter that has been a Practictioner of dice Influencing for over 50 yrs. NOT for a Di that maximizes SAID skill by plying his/her skill on empty/near empty tables.
     
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  18. TDVegas, Mar 6, 2019

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    Point taken. That assumes a player knows his SRR will be 6.3 over 10K rolls. Not that he had a 6.3 over 10k.

    The sims ran it as high as 6.2 over 10k rolls....I buffered it up and down an extra decimal. While anything is technically possible, I'm confident it will fall in that range.

    The key is NOT JUST attaining a 6.3....but knowing in advance that you will attain. As far as "making a living off the table"....I would defer to others who could work up what might be some complex mathematics of tying results into a viable betting strategy to ensure wins....Kelly criteria, etc.

    Out of my league...in terms of calculation, but moot as I don't think anyone is capable of playing craps for a living in the traditional sense of "for a living".:)

    Overall (lifetime) net positive is extremely rare...but can be done. Has Pat DeMauro played craps since her epic roll?
     
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    Occupation: Professional Gambler...Bubble craps.

    Thats Great, If i could only get inside that bubble... losses are less painful with a $1
    minimum
     
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  20. TDVegas, Mar 6, 2019

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    Sure. It’s all relative. The more wagered, the bigger the wins.

    There’s a flip side to that.

    Shhhh....
     
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