Hop Bets

Discussion in 'Prop Bets & Side Bets' started by KokomoJoe4, Jul 17, 2014.

  1. KokomoJoe4, Jul 17, 2014

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    Sometimes when you think you know its coming next roll, why not call a hop bet?

    It is amazing when it happens just as called, and makes you look like you know what you're doing. I don't do it often enough to remember more than a couple of hopped winners.

    Recently, a pretty sharp player from another table came in next to me during a good roll. He started placing pretty big bets right away. Shooter and 5 or 6 players already had four numbers on their fire bets. As I recall, only the 5 and 10 were left to be made. The new player had the hard 10 covered, and before the come out, he hopped the 6:4, 4:1 and 3:2 for $10 each. Five came out, and he advised the table that he knew it would be one of the needed points. Unfort, the 5 was never made, but the hopper did pretty well with a long roll with nearly all #'s covered.

    Mr. aggressive here was sitting only on the pass, and with 4 winners in a row, had a decent sized bet out when the seven-out came.
     
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    you can regret not making any bet after the number comes out.
    anyone betting hop bets are big time losers. I don't care what anyone says.
    even someone like me(somewhere I was referred to as a person with monkey brains, I kinda liked that insult), have called successful hop bets.
    hop the forty two! usually when Im up big and my point is six and I have money on the hard six.

    an expression Ive heard for hop betting, forty two while they turn!
    Havent heard that expression in years and years, and I was pretty sure it was hop betting.(I don't do much prop betting, I don't pay much attention to all the call outs to the dealers)
     
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  3. KokomoJoe4, Aug 16, 2014

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    Girl next to me today hit two hops in a row. Never saw this before. It amounted to a quick $150 in her pocket.
     
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  4. KokomoJoe4, Aug 30, 2014

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    So when you "win" your hop (and what percentage of the time does that happen, ~ 16%?), you win $5 flat, lose $4 hopped, and win $30. The hops lose 84% of the time, on average, so not sure you have wised up.
     
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  5. falcon, Sep 10, 2014

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    I have not been on for quite awhile mostly because everything is so repetitive, but I have some free time and the hop bet discussion, which I have talked about before, is something that I use frequently to great advantage.

    First, it is only a "sucker bet" when used as a stand alone wager.

    Second, it allows for a 40% (approximately) lower risk outlay when betting across the board thus enabling one to recapture the totality of the player's table bets, i.e., instead of $64 across; bet $44 on the inside and hop the easy 4/10 for $1 each. The inside winners pay $14 less the $2 hop loss; the easy 4/10 pays $14; and a 7 out results in a $46 loss instead of a $64 loss. I realize that a C&E or a hard 4/10 results is a $2 loss, but the trade-off in winners will usually mitigate such. There are other ways to use the hop in combination with place bets that are mathematically advantageous if you work on it.

    Third, hopping the 7 after the point is established, especially on a cold or choppy table, is not a one roll bet; it is a five roll bet. If the first four tosses are not a 7 out but the fifth toss is, you are a winner,i.e., hop the 7 for $3 and the fifth roll 7 out gives you a net $1 win. The fifth toss is $16 and down for the totality of the five consecutive bets of $15.

    There is more, but that is a good start.

    Liman and Kokomo need to learn to think outside the box and use the 3rd grade math that is the true simplification of craps.

    falcon
     
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  6. Morgue, Sep 11, 2014

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    "Excuse me sir, can you kindly remove your earbuds so I can bother you?" What an ass.

    Is the new strategy a betting formula or a new strategy to deter people from annoying you? ;) In either case, I'd love to hear it. Good luck on both endeavours!
     
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  7. bleeckerboy, Sep 11, 2014

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    Could also be a good way to offset multiple COME bets on the comeout of a hot roll. If I have 2 come bets up and passline, hopping the 7 protects my established bets and the odds come back.
     
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    everyone wins at craps on craps discussion boards.
    amazing any casinos are able to stay afloat.
     
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  9. Morgue, Sep 11, 2014

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    I think it's a case of selective memory, Liman.

    It's psychological. It's easy to overlook the $5 single roll bets losing on the majority of rolls but remember fondly the time when the 12 rolled and $165 was pushed towards you.

    Without tracking your wins and losses it is very easy to believe you are ahead.
     
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  10. rudeboy99, Sep 15, 2014

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    Yo Bubba! Next time you're in town stop by the Cal/Neva between 2 and 10 A.M. and say Howdy! My nametag says Kevin and I'm a fat old fart with a beard.:cool:
     
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    Yeah, you're right.We're located at the corner of Virginia St. & 2nd, just south of Harrah's. I'll spring for a free cocktail if nothing else.
     
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  12. rudeboy99, Sep 16, 2014

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    Sheeeit! Wouldn't have one.
     
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  13. rudeboy99, Sep 16, 2014

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    Some of my regulars swear by the bubble machine also, and these are all players that are pretty savvy about the game, so I'm sure you're tellin' it true. My lack of enthusiasm is totally sour grapes because although I'm getting near to retirement, I reckon the machine based games will be the wave of the future to some degree. I don't know how bad the fires are out your way, but the smoke we're getting from them is as bad as I've seen here...awful!:)
     
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  14. direct007, Apr 20, 2015

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    My favorite hop bet story happened on 2/14/14. I was at Caesar's in Atlantic City to see Vanessa Williams for Valentine's Day. It was the come out roll and I threw a nickel on the hard 6 hop bet. Threw the dice and Hard 6 appeared! $150. I then placed a $15 bet on the hard 6 and kept the nickel on the hard 6 hop bet. Very next roll...Hard 6! $150 from the hop bet again, another $135 from the Hard 6. I forget what happened after that but I was up $500 when I left the table 10 minutes later.
     
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  15. James Hall, Sep 20, 2016

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    did we ever settle the controversy regarding the come bet versus the place bet??
     
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  16. Onautopilot, Sep 20, 2016

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    Yes, we did.
     
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  17. James Hall, Sep 20, 2016

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    WELL DAMN
    OK then the hop bets suck !
    and I have to go to bed
    See ya all later
     
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  18. wonko33, Sep 21, 2016

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    I think it was solved on the 3rd or 4th post, then a bunch of people talked about their feelings regarding place bets for about 60 pages.
     
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  19. James Hall, Sep 21, 2016

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    down in Texas we call that a S*^T storm . LOL
     
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