How fast is too fast?

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  1. The Midnight Skulker, Sep 4, 2019

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    Upon reflection I realized that one of the reasons I did not finish the video posted above was that I was uncomfortable with the speed of the game. I appreciate an elite crew, but despite 50 years of experience and a very well defined strategy I would have felt rushed. I get that on an actual live game (as opposed to a demonstration at a dealer school) you're not going to get anywhere close to 210 rolls/hour even if the table is sparsely populated and all the players are experienced, but if nothing else the crew sent me a message that they needed my money, and didn't want to spend a lot of time getting it. I would not have been at that table for very long, or in that casino for that matter.

    I think I might have a similar problem on the bubble machines, particularly when trying to get familiar with the basic mechanics of betting. I doubt any machine would see me again if I timed out or made a mistake trying to make, move, press, regress, ... bets. "Haste makes waste."
     
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  2. TDVegas, Sep 4, 2019

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    I agree. Lightning. Too fast and furious.

    I've actually only been rushed on a roulette table. El Cortez. Pissed me off and the entire table of players when the pit boss came over and gave the dealer the "hurry up". I lasted one more spin as it became a rush scene to get bets down before she waved off bets.

    I thought it was ridiculous. I would do the same for a crew rushing craps play.

    With the bubble...I would advise anyone new to the game to familiarize themselves with all aspects of making and taking bets down, increasing, decreasing, changing chip denomination....use minimal bets ($1 if possible) to get the hang of it.

    Anyone with a basic idea on using a touch screen phone....I could have them up and running very quickly. Typically you get 20 seconds to make wagers. Unless someone is using a complex hedge or flooding the table with a lot of bets....it's fairly easy to get everything down. No words. No making sure the dealer got it right. Just you and a finger....tap, tap.

    In von ducks case....he uses his middle finger.
     
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  3. Bases loaded, Sep 4, 2019

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    Everybody hates the electronic craps game, but it had a cool feature. The 'shot clock' would start and give you about 20 secs to make your bets. But if you kept 'tapping' bets out, it would add 5 seconds. So as long as you were fluidly making bets you could get all your action down.

    If all betting was complete the dice got rolled quickly with no delay.

    It was difficult to learn the flow initially, however.
     
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  4. Mssthis1, Sep 4, 2019

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    That's one place where I buck the crowd. I prefer a fast pace to get into a rhythm.

    If I'm the only person at the table, more than 200 rolls an hour is perfect for me. I've asked stick people to pick up the pace before.

    On the new single person craps machine at Meskwaki I get close to 300 rolls an hour. Needless to say at that pace I'm not tracking rolls.
     
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  5. KokomoJoe4, Sep 4, 2019

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    Me too Mssthis1 - [1] thing that always very quickly puts me in the mood to leave the table is the extreme slowness of the game, typically caused by what is usually player rather than dealer confusion with multiple players multiple mid table bets.

    Recently in Ocean City, I had the dealer return my odds on a couple of come bets and left the flats sit for either the dealers or the bank when this went on and on and on and on.... you get the picture.

    Hell, this was on a so-called vacation when time didn't matter, but it was so fucked up that I could no longer enjoy myself even if I tried.

    Perhaps I need some anger management instruction with Dr. Phillips.
     
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    i hear ya koko, slow games sometimes drive me nuts, especially if Im up and I cant take it anymore.
    if its a losing or even type game, Ill wait till a decision and walk, even if the shooter makes the point, Ill just leave. I don't mind slower games if the table is red hot and everyone is pushing and making more and more bets, its the flow. If one or two assholes at a table constantly throw in late bets and force the stick to retain or take back the dice, and do it every single roll, its time to go.
     
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  7. Mssthis1, Sep 5, 2019

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    In my opinion time always matters. Once you spend time it's gone forever. Lost craps money you can earn back, time you can't.

    The older I get the more I realize this.

    On a side note. I was driven from the craps machine last night by an asshole vaping and blowing the fake smoke everywhere. My throat still hurts this morning.

    Good news is I hit the regular craps table at just the right time. My favorite spot, SR1 was open and only 3 players at that time. While I was buying in one of the regulars was whining that the dice had went PSO entirely around the table. Good news to my ears, missed those.

    Only shot once myself, 12 rolls, no passes. Made a little bit thanks to 3,4's and 4'10s. All the 10's were before I started pressing. Next shooter made 6 points and one natural. Left 1870 to the good and dealers made 89.

    You can tell the dealers rarely see come bets. Even my favorite dealer who's been there for decades was fumbling come bets that weren't the same amount off and on.

    Even a blind dog finds a bone once in a while. ;)
     
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  8. TDVegas, Sep 5, 2019

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    I’m able to tolerate vaping smoke better than cigarette smoke. Every so often I’ll get a whiff of cotton candy, vanilla or bubble gum.

    They are starting to see the consequences of vaping...lung infections. Terrible stuff.

    What was meant to be a way of weening smokers off cigarettes (which may have been a good idea) has now drawn in kids with juvenile flavors (grape, bubble gum, etc)

    It’s basically inhaling aerosol. We only get one set of lungs.
     
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  9. Mssthis1, Sep 5, 2019

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    I think this guy was using Naptha. Whatever it was it was burning my eyes and throat and that doesn't happen too often since I'm usually fairly tolerant.

    Back in the factory days there was a guy who smoked one of those Cherry flavored tobaccos in a pipe. It actually smelled pretty good and made him easy to track down if I needed him for a repair job.
     
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  10. KokomoJoe4, Sep 5, 2019

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    LMAO,

    I worked in the local PPG Paint factory every summer out of high school until last year of dental school. Dad was a foreman there, and this place always hired employees kids for summer work. Great pay, and except for the first summer there, I always got a cushy salary job in one of the labs. I was never hurting for $$$ as a college student.

    First year working labor and all 3 shifts, my buddy Trout, who was given that name for a "problem" similar to the one Liman has ;), used to find a secluded spot, put down a piece of cardboard on the floor, and sack out. He didn't actually try to sleep on the job, he just did it to get a laugh. This guy was a riot - I remember a couple of 4 to 12 shift lunches where we would smoke a joint and return to work for what would be an interesting rest of the day.

    No, never was much of a drug user, but who didn't smoke a little pot?
     
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  11. Mssthis1, Sep 5, 2019

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    One of the Machine Repairman working for me acquired the nickname "Tripod". He went out with someone who also worked in the plant and she told everyone. Lol.
     
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  12. yacraps, Sep 5, 2019

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    Had a good friend in high school who acquired the nick name Trigger from one of the happy female students...later in life we learned that trigger was a good bs artist and had convinced happy that this ----- was 8 inches :rolleyes:
     
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  13. HornHiYo, Sep 6, 2019

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    Did he go to Mesa High???
     
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  14. Mssthis1, Sep 6, 2019

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    Perhaps, a pro fisherman?.

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  15. The Midnight Skulker, Sep 6, 2019

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    Explains where we get the term "fib" from. Well, almost: the "fibber" must have run out of fingers and toes because the last two "measurements" should be 21 and 34.
     
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  16. yacraps, Sep 7, 2019

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    LOL..LOL..you guys are killing me :D
     
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  17. eagleeye2, Sep 12, 2019

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    Throwing the ""DICE"" ~ ""TOO FAST"" will result in a rebound off of the BACK WALL of more than FOUR INCHES, which is considered excessive, for a winning series of ROLLS...

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  18. KokomoJoe4, Sep 12, 2019

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    .........unless said rolls happen to end on results on which you have placed wagers, in which case the shooter is to be congratulated for being a damn good tosser, possibly even a so-called DI. ;)

    Yep, it's all in the interpretation ee2.
     
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    Damn Koko,

    Shows just how little you know about throwing DICE, DUH!!!

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