How long of a Break when it gets cold?

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  1. EVOLVE, Dec 5, 2016

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    Wondering how long of a break do people take when a table goes cold?
    Does it have to be til the next day?
     
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  2. Onautopilot, Dec 5, 2016

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    The game of craps unfolds much as a "flowing river", a continues event. The player elects when to stick their toe in the water, and when to pull it out.

    There is no way of knowing when the right or wrong time to enter the water would be.

    Time has nothing to do with it....but the longer you wait to play again, the better off you probably are. If you don't play, you are not exposing your money to the HA. :)

    Remember this formula........."Total bet handle X EV = expected loss for the player"

    EV meaning the "value of the bet"......how much you are being paid for that bet, and that amount is always less than the fair odds of the bet.....the "House advantage". (HA)
     
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  3. tabletop123, Dec 5, 2016

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    How many people have the discipline (not saying if it's right or wrong) to drive 2-3 hours to a Casino, & only toss the dice three hands (Win or lose)?

    Old Top does! What I failed to mention many posts ago is the Fact that I Only visit the Casinos on the "Free Money" days!

    That's correct! My local Indian joints send redeemable CASH vouchers that you can simply cash, & NOT play if you desire not to play at all!

    Makes it much easier for Old Top to "Catch a Gear" WITHOUT having to bet my own Cash! No, it doesn't always have a happy ending, but that "Free Cash" certainly prevents a lot of "Nut Clipping".

    Old Top figures that if I can't win with a $150-$250 jump-start of the Free Cash, it's time to EXIT, STAGE LEFT!

    See you at the "Top" as I'm "Sending it in" until the Free Cash Stops!
     
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    A good strategy, in fact I used that strategy today....had a $75 free play, actually was cash in this instance. I only took a few dollars of my own money. The casino is only 15 minutes away, makes it easier for me to play this strategy.

    BUT, the kicker being, if you do not continue to play your money, the "free stuff" starts to diminish until it eventually goes away! :)
     
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  5. tabletop123, Dec 5, 2016

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    True, but I ALWAYS but I'm for $7-$800, & when the Free Cash is gone, or I hit my win goal....... I'm done!

    The rebuttal would be that the pit monitors your play( true to a CERTAIN extent), but they don't keep track of EVERY chip.

    Even though they come pretty darn close to assessing your wins/losses, they don't catch SOME of the chips that are "Rat holed!"

    Also, I am pretty certain that the Casino's marketing department are pretty lenient when mailing out the Free Cash vouchers!

    During my 11consecutive winning streak, they CONTINUED to mail me free Cash, & during the course of my "Lucky" streak, I clipped them pretty good on 6 of those victories!

    Smallest win was around $275! Keeping it honest.......I have ALSO received $2-$300 free cash on MANY OCCASIONS, & ended up with my nuts clipped better than a Toy Poodle straight out of a Grooming School! Lol
     
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  6. tabletop123, Dec 5, 2016

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    That should read: BUY IN for $7-$800!
     
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  7. The Comeback Kid, Dec 5, 2016

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    Intriguing question. Answer: it depends.

    When we talk about a table being hot or cold, we're really talking about energy momentum. Like a speeding train going 100 mph, you're not going to stop it on a dime - and then have it reverse direction.

    So what do you do?
    A better question is what's fueling the train?
    Attention to a condition makes it stronger.
    Therefore, the attention of 10 bitching, moaning cussing losers are gonna ensure that a cold table remains ice cold for awhile.

    But that's not all...what about you?
    This is where the art of the game comes in.

    When you see a consistent winner; you're really seeing someone who knows how to lose. It is said that a winner will have ice in their veins, but that's not true. They have just found a way to master their emotions - and practiced it. Losing effects us all - but how much? Only you know how much churning is going on in your stomach.

    So, here's a rule of thumb:
    The stronger the churning the longer the no-returning.

    And you thought this was an action game?
     
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    Oh, they will definitely keep mailing the free play stuff, and if you are winning, they will probably give you more! It's only if you don't play at all, that they might cut back, but like you say, they want you in the casino, so I am sure you will keep getting them!

    Good luck on the next trip!
     
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  9. Pressit, Dec 5, 2016

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    Doesn't that players card allow you internet access where you can view your winning and losing sessions? If you are using the casinos players card you may be surprise what is in their database...I know I was.
     
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    Yes, you can view your win/loss record! However, mine is never accurate because I never let them know EXACTLY what I have won. Admittedly, they are usually within a few hundred of my winnings, but there have been situations wherein I have "rat holed" pretty good, & they are waaaaaaayyyyyy. Off!
     
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    Waaaaaayyyyy Off...hopefully all in your favor. Lol
     
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  12. KokomoJoe4, Dec 5, 2016

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    If the typical player needs to drive hours just to get onto a table, he is probably going to play regardless. If things are going terribly, he will probably either try the other direction or maybe take a food break.

    I played constantly last week in Vegas, and fortunately didn't get burned doing so, but I was playing very conservatively, so wouldn't have gotten murdered even if getting murdered.
     
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  13. TheOtherBigRed, Dec 5, 2016

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    It's 90 minutes door to door to my two favorite casinos. If the table goes cold or worse never warms up; I'm not above just getting something to drink (non-alcoholic) and just chill out watching the grand show of slot players going about their merry way. I have always been a people watcher, it's better than TV.
     
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  14. The Midnight Skulker, Dec 7, 2016

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    The only time I have walked into and then out of a casino without making a single bet was a few eons ago at what I suspect is now the Seminole Hard Rock in Tampa, FL. I can't remember if it even had a name when I visited.

    I was in Orlando on business and heard the casino sirens calling. Made the drive without bothering to check out what games were available. (Hey, I didn't have anything better to do.) Had to stop in at the Tampa AAA office to find out where the joint was. I came, I saw no craps, I left. Drove back to Orlando.

    Decided OK, we won't be doing that again. Did a little research and found a cruise to nowhere out of Madeira Beach. Not exactly Craps Heaven, but craps nonetheless.
     
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  15. superrick, Dec 7, 2016

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    What most on this board can't understand is there is a time to play and a time to walkout the door. Now I'm very fortunate where I live and play craps.

    I can walk in and just turn around and walk out of any casions that I play in. If I don't like what I see when I walk in its time to leave.

    You don't have to play if what is happening on the table dosen't look for your type of play!

    If the tables conditions don't look good take your wife to see a show or shoping, let her know it's not all about you and playing craps. Believe it or not you will get a lot more table time lf you make her happy.

    Taking a break away from the tables will save you money, use it wisely you should only be playing craps around an hour anyway.
     
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    You go to a casino mecca,that has 4 choices or more close together. You can not afford it any other way.
     
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    A very astute and profound synopsis , SuperRick !

    Now, I remember why we moved to Las Vegas ! :)


    And I just heard THIS again last night or the night before -

    " A Happy Wife is a Happy Life " ! ;)

    $...eE..$
     
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    Last night table got cold and I saw an opportunity with a "dice shaker".
    I went 15 dp, with two 15 dc and 30 odds on each. He sevened out by 6th roll and I racked 105$ Profit while the table lost their rightside bets. And even better, they took their chips to pay me, it took 30 seconds to count cuz dealers aren't used to dark side as much.

    And mysteriously, I ended up as the only player in the green on the table.
     
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    Sometimes, we Do players continue to put out the same bets even though we are getting hammered. Dumbasses, self included. 777 will tell you what to do here.
     
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    What you have posted is spot on, providing you live within a short drive to a casino(s). My situation is a bit odd, as it takes just as long to get to LV, as it does to get to my nearest Indian casino. Now I could make the 1 hour flight to Philly, rent a car and drive 20 minutes to Chester, play several hours and take the 3 o'clock flight back home, but that really sucks. So LV Is my only sensible choice, and my LV trips are far less expensive, and less aggravating.

    I am not a believer in cold tables, cold players yes, cold tables no. People lose money for a number of reasons, over betting their bankroll, their need to bet on everyone, not establishing a clear game plan prior to stepping up to the table, and sticking with the game plan, not paying close attention to other players and how the dice react to their tosses, playing tired, and should the game start heading south, becoming so paralyzed with your game plan you can't, don't, or forget you can make any changes, but you don't so the slide continues.

    We all, whether some of us want to believe this or not, possess dice control and dice influence capabilities. On its most basic level you can control the dice so it will hit the back wall, and we all can influence the dice, just some of us can read the dice and make adjustments, others will continue wondering for example, why are my dice splitting landinding in opposit corners all the time, or why do they continue to crossover one another They do and they will, but they don't have to.

    If I was looking for advice, my first pick would not be someone who has based their opinion on mere speculation, or theory, not reality, from one who has never practiced the trade, or one who is so closed minded because of their years of so-called knowledge experience, have they ever considered their knowledge just might be flawed, or flatout wrong?

    You can not read a book on DI and think you'll be able to duplicate what the author is trying to get across, as there are just to many little physical nuances involved in the process. You may think of yourself as being coordinated, so you should be able to accomplish this, but being coordinated is helpful, but is just a small part of DI. To properly learn all the many facets of DI you'll need personal hand on instructor, someone who is proficient, and lives close enough to you, one who is willing to spend the many hours teaching you. If no such person exists, the only other source is to attend a seminar. There are just to many things that do not transfer over well in text when you are explaining the little physical techniques needed for DI. Like text does not have tone, text can not transmit physical touch. Why? Simply put, we are all built differently, so what works for me, may not work for you.

    Seminars...no one is getting rich on seminars, with maybe the exception of Dice Coach, as Dice Coach hold his classes/seminars in his home. Others who put on seminars have to absorb, the cost of travel, room and board, car rental, rental of the space where the seminar is being held, plus the cost of additional personnel to assist you with the seminar. Charging $900 a student, when there are only 6 students = $5400. Very slim profit when all is said and done.

    Snake and Joe, of Little Joe, told me a story about one of their seminars. Originally the had 6 people who showed an interest in an up coming LJ seminar to be held in beautiful Atlantic City. After signing up, 2 of the 6 dropped out, just days before the seminar 2 others dropped out leaving only 2 students. Non the less and true to their commitment, Snake and Joe drove on to AC. Somehow the last 2 students assumed the seminar had been canceled. So somewhere between Dumkin, OH, and Dump City, NJ, Snake and Joe were made aware of this news, but they continued on, and after arriving in AC, called the last 2 students who thought the seminar had been canceled, informing them the seminar was still the last 2 students drove to AC.

    So this theory the individuals putting on these seminars are making a killing just isn't so, as is the misguided theory held by some, why would anyone teach a technique, method, or system these gold mine secrets, why would they want to share? Why are they giving away the keys to the casino vault, or other similar verbiage found on this forum.

    Well they are not sharing, they are not giving away anything, they are selling information they have worked on, and continue to work on, and are offering it to student as part of the 2 or 3 day seminar. Here the student will constantly be monitored, observed and his play critiqued and corrected. Once the seminar is over, the hands on observation, and critiques are over. True you can post question to their board, and they will answer them the best they can and hopefully that info will rekindle your memory banks. Then there will be those students who after spending money on the seminar, will let that knowledge sit dormant for months without practicing it, so they shouldn't be surprised when they can not recall and/or duplicate what they were able to do during the seminar, so they need not complain.

    Can one make a living playing craps? You can, but you should have $35k to $50k saved up in a reserve account. Your buyin is $1000, your minimum bet is no less than $100, and you'll be betting on only other players who have met your preset qualifications, and for only 1 to 3 tosses per qualified shooter, and no more. So unless you are betting on yourself, you'll not be in any one casino very long, maybe 20 to 45 minutes, and then relax before moving onto the next casino, and possibly a third, and you only have to do this 2 or 3 days a week.

    I can hear it now, some will say this is not possible, this is fiction, and they are correct. That is correct in their skepticism as they are trying to combine their way of playing with this way. The two are totally different mind sets. Most here would rather cut their hand off than leave the table with a $100 win in a short period of time. Some on this forum do not believe in a lost limit, whatever you take to the table should be bet to the every last $$$, maybe they feel their luck will change, and so they and will stay on a table for hours. Hey, after all it is their money.

    LV offers a lot of different opportunities to the craps player, especially the locals, who are willing to be selective and not greedy. Open 24/7, 7 days a week.
     
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