How MUCH...is Enough Craps Table Wins?

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  1. SevenOut, Jan 11, 2019

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    It matters little if you are a $20, $200 or $1,000 buy in at a Craps Table, how much is enough winnings?

    You do not have to be an Investment Guru to understand the mathematics of Compound Interest or Investing in a 'hot' stock gaining in value.

    Take, for example a $1,000 CD at 3%, Preferred Money Market at 2.07%, Tax Free Municipal Bonds at 4.0% and even a Credit Union cash account bringing in a whopping... 1%, on higher accounts. These, for those who are mathematical awkward, in percentages... lets make this easy to understand.

    A Tax Free Municipal Bond paying $40 after 365 days, tax free, investing in a $1,000 certificate whose value may go UP, or DOWN depending on current interest rates. Usually following the Federal Reserve artificial rartes.

    So, $40 for one year on $1,000 for a secure, safe return on your cash.

    Craps Players on the, other hand or slight of hand, may wager on a Hot Table with a $200 Bankroll and if they pulled their wagers off the table after a good roll, lets say $100. A return of 50% in ten minutes of your time.

    ... and they want MORE. The return on 'investment' is enormous.

    This is the insanity of Craps Players, as well anyone who gambles. How much is enough to... QUIT? Obviously, never is probably closer to the truth.

    You keep playing, you will not only lose your outrageous return on capital, but lose all of the 'investment capital'. Even the Stock Market treats you better than your cash becoming... ZERO.

    These 'Big Whales at the Craps Table' making small instant fortunes need to mortgage the house, refinance the car(s) and max out their personal loans.

    Set the Dice... Knock out a couple rolls and... QUIT. Repay all of the creditors wanting 5% to 18% annual interest can be repaid after one, five or twenty Casino Craps Table 'Capital Ventures'. No doubt an example of another "American Greed" program... DeLuxe. Maybe a total of one, two or three days of casual winning.

    Common Sense, which is not common to a gambler, thinks everyone believes that gambling makes you RICH.

    There is no Santa with a sack of cash at the end of these stories on the CrapsForum. Greed to some requires a fantastic imagination and sucking their wealth from their home, savings and family.... like a giant TICK.

    Tell me then, if you disagree that this is not the case... how you take one Dollar, play to Ten Dollars, to a Hundred to Ten Thousand... over an hours worth of... well, pumping air into a Balloon and calling it... an Investment that keeps on paying.
     
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  2. eagleeye2, Jan 11, 2019

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    So SevenOut, just how does this serve to improve ones CRAPS PLAY???

    After all, this is a CRAPS Improvement site, at least most here strive to that end!

    eagleeye2
     
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  3. Mssthis1, Jan 11, 2019

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    He just told you.
     
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    sevenout you hit the nail on the head....gambling has nothing to do with making money or risking money/vs any other investment or return on investment.

    gambling is strictly about the adrenaline rush, the diversion, the thrill, take me away from everything.

    Only a few people who are clearly full of shit here talk about craps like its a key to a safety deposit box belonging to the casino.

    unfortunately, addiction plays a big part in gaming. it has nothing to do with winning or losing for some, its just the action.
     
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  5. eagleeye2, Jan 11, 2019

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    mssthis1,

    Kindly explain how he ''Just Told You"".

    eagleeye2
     
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  6. von duck, Jan 11, 2019

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  7. DeMango, Jan 11, 2019

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    Don’t get greedy
     
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  8. SevenOut, Jan 11, 2019

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    Intelligent and professional Poker Players call it... Money Management.

    Intelligent and knowledgable Craps Players call it... Money Management.

    Is it better to INCREASE YOUR CRAPS WAGERS as you Win?

    Or is it wiser to DECREASE LARGER WAGERS as you Win?

    I explained the Windfall of a Craps winning session. Why must I explain what I have already explained? YOU tell me where I am wrong.

    Not everyone on this Forum are gullible, easily deceived by fast talk and 'possible' winnings.

    I had five Craps Dealers, myself included, teach beginner and advanced Craps for $20 and then they were given $200 in 'play chips' to play at either a 12 foot or a 14 foot table. This same instructor would coach them how to Place Wagers, Take Winnings and how to... Manage their Money.

    The vast majority, say 90%, were not interested in System Play or Money Management. They wanted to be taught... HOW to BEAT the Craps Table. Even as ignorant as they were just finishing a one hour $20 Class and now standing at a functioning Craps table with Dealers, they just wanted to cut to the front of the line and just play and take winnings out with them.

    Only one of my Dealers actually played Craps once hired by a Missouri Riverboat. He had to play at another Casino and actually liked the Blackjack table Craps layout that used a 36 number Roulette wheel. The Roulette wheel had the 36 outcomes possible with two six sided dice.

    The absolute ignorance of so called "advanced Craps players" on this Forum is laughable to those who know better.

    I would suggest that those who pretend to understand Craps, pay a knowledgable Craps Dealer/Player to critique their PLAY for a FEE. It would be the smartest money spent, yet that 90% will argue with experienced Take, Play and Place Craps Dealers... every time. They believe they know it... all, and some. Yet cannot understand how to protect wagers, nor how to wager.

    I do this for entertainment. Others I know following Craps understand WHY I do this. It sure is not to make Craps Buddies at a live table. It was more to discuss the finer points of Craps Action.

    I prefer to watch Craps Action and critique players. The compulsive gambler does not appreciate being... criticized as their egos are beyond their capacity to learn.

    Myself, once I got to a point understanding that Craps was more of a waste of money, I play a fraction of the Bankroll, enjoy my time playing against the House Advantage on video Poker and Keno machines.

    I need no COMPS, as I can pay out of pocket for less. I need no large Bankroll, as I set my limit to $20/$40 and take my winnings when they come. Although as a Local Player I get more than enough comps to spread my nickels around for variety. Life is good.

    When I watch a Craps Game, and I am playing the game with mental wagers... there are times the rolls are going my way. Other times... I was content I was not playing at the table.

    But, as I said in Post #1... if you are so confident of making a 'killing'... mortgage yourself up to your eyeballs, put the CHIPS on the tables and retire happily ever after.

    A Sucker is born every second... not every minute within a Casino. I can easily be entertained critiquing Players at a table and separate the Suckers from Seasoned Credible Players in minutes.
     
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  9. von duck, Jan 11, 2019

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  10. James Hall, Jan 11, 2019

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    Playing craps is an adrenaline rush ???
    Maybe for someone who has had no excitement in their life
     
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  11. DeMango, Jan 11, 2019

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    Well 7O, I guess you just can’t turn $42 into $5,000 like our home bound troll from Mesa.
     
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  12. eagleeye2, Jan 11, 2019

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    Seven Out,

    Your post paints your sorry experiences @ CRAPS quite well!

    As such, it is no help to one that wishes to improve their CRAPS Play, just as I stated before!

    eagleeye2
     
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  13. James Hall, Jan 11, 2019

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    You must be a fan of tdvegas , he likes to mischaracterize things
    also . The $5,000 is the result of a $5 bet not $42.
    You should at least try to get your , "$#*^T" straight.
    A $42 bet on that , "TRIPLE HARD WAY" would have me up
    way to much and much too early.

    There are some who do have the skill to pull off the ,
    "TRIPLE HARD WAY" , I know , I trained them
    They have been trained to know where on the table the
    real money abides and what they must do to get at it.
    You and your comedy relief sidekick Hornhyyo , sure like
    throwing that troll term around.
    You had that right here in this bit of trolling you
    just posted You , "TROLLY ROLLER YOU"
    LOL You are the , "TROLLY ROLLER".
     
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  14. Settingcanthurt, Jan 11, 2019

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    I miss Onautopilot with posts like this. If he were in the mood to address Sevenout's question.
     
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  15. Settingcanthurt, Jan 12, 2019

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    I will likely buy in with $200. Sometimes just making a conservative $10 dontpass bet and maybe a $10 dontcome bet with a $2 C&E. + $2 C&E for the crew on first bet. On third bet if no wins I bet Pass line & place 6/8. If by now I have no winnings I walk. The feel of the table pretty much dictates weather I stay on the dark at all or keep placing bets. If I hit a number two times I might take it down to keep the investment for another thrower. Small bets and wins accumulated I usually will walk, but have at times, made larger place bets trying to get lucky. Looking for excitement.
     
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  16. basicstrategy777, Jan 12, 2019

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    You walk up to a craps table with 100 dollars and leave an hour later with a 10 dollar profit...that's a fair annual return.....777
     
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  17. Twelve4s, Jan 12, 2019

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    But ya gotta figure expenses, transportation, coffee, tips, training, etc.

    Revenue minus expenditures.

    Unless you’re one of the gifted few, the vault assault perpetrators.
     
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  18. KokomoJoe4, Jan 12, 2019

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    Until retirement, work is the primary issue in our lives. We do it to make life as good as we can for our family. If we're lucky, we have a loving family and friends that provide good times when we are not working. If we're smart, we learn to save for the future and invest for it. Such investment can be safe with a conservative return or risky with the potential for greater return.

    Gambling has existed for at least as long as civilized man, probably longer. For as long as it has existed, gambling has been the "work" done by those running the game and profiting from it - currently the casino corporations, previously organized crime and owners of floating games.

    Since there is the possibility for a gambler to turn a small amount of money into a large amount, and since the process involves excitement and risk, people gamble.

    The motivating factor for ALL players is to WIN. Winning is the most important thing. It is obvious that a 10% win is better than a loss, that a 100% win is better than 10%, and that a 500% win is better than 100%.

    Assuming that the gambler under consideration is gambling with money he can afford to lose, the smartest way to gamble is to play conservatively until he is playing with money he has just won, at which time he can safely increase the aggression of his play and look to take away as much as he can until losing.

    Everyone knows that when winning, you do not stop gambling, you play until the loser, then you wait to gamble another time.

    Everyone also knows that, because nearly every gambling endeavor is tilted in favor of those running the game, that there will be plenty of losses.
     
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  19. eagleeye2, Jan 12, 2019

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    KoKo,

    That brings up the STRATEGY of an old timer in the gambling instruction business, i.e. one JOHN PATRICK, whose claim to fame was his call of UP & PULL.

    John repeatedly stated that once one was up @ any form of Gambling, they SET ASIDE a portion of those winnings & NOT go into that PROFIT, that philosophy guaranteed a profit, for that gambling secession.

    Since my wife adopted that philosophy @ Slots, her WIN / LOSS record has improved significantly.

    eagleeye2

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  20. eagleeye2, Jan 12, 2019

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    Link to John Patrick on Gambling:

    https://images.search.yahoo.com/yhs...Patric&fr=sgm&hspart=SGMedia&hsimp=yhs-sgm_fb

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