How to lose friends and agitate people

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  1. Wrongway, Mar 3, 2020

    Wrongway

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    A sequel to Dale Carnegie’s best seller?
    Not quite.
    Welcome to the life of a don’t player.
    If you like the idea of Instantly becoming unpopular amongst a group at a table; start playing the “wrongway”.
    Many, not all, players have a strong dislike for anyone who bets on the dark side.
    I’ve been betting this way for the past twenty years and embrace the challenge of maintaining good relations amongst fellow players knowing full well most despise the way I play.
    I don’t like the term that my way of playing is “betting with the house”. I don’t see it that way. I’m trying to get just as many chips from the box man as any other player at the table.
    In fact the way I play (only make dc bets and never don’t pass bets) it is actually possible, albeit rare, that the shooter and others on the win line can win and I can win also. (ie) I get behind four numbers travelling through the dc and the shooter gets his point which wasn’t one of my numbers. He then gets a seven on his next come out roll and we are all winners...
    Not betting against the shooter directly has many positives: firstly, you don’t have to suffer the indignity of people high fiveing and cheering when he makes his point. Secondly, he doesn’t take offence that you are betting directly against you.
    I will never forget an experience I had at Palace Station where an older lady (late 60’s) rocked up to the table and was offered the dice to be the next shooter. She eagerly placed her pass line bet and just prior to jettisoning the bones noticed a guy at the opposite end of the table betting on the “dont’s”. Wow did she see red.....she started cursing and carrying on how she loved it when someone went against her. Talk about taking it personally. She said “I’ll fix that fucker” (or something similar) I’ll teach him for betting against me. I thought to myself “gees this lady really has issues about don’t pass players”. I made sure I gave her a wide berth and thought I might ease up on the dc bets for a little while..
    In conclusion all I can say is that once you cross to the dark side it’s hard to go back. Sure it is more of a grind and you need a larger bank roll. However, what I like about it is that unlike playing the come with odds, where one punch (the seven) and your ko’d. Betting against four numbers through the dc you can handle three punches (3 repeaters) if you then turn your remaining odds off and stop betting you will live to fight another bout. You might even be able to handle three hot shooters in a row before you wave the white flag and leave the table with your tail between your legs.
    My recommendation, for what it’s worth, and I have read it in some craps books is: don’t be tempted to chop and change between the two styles of betting. Extremely frustrating if you are just constantly getting it wrong.
    Happy punting.
    Regards Wrongway.
     
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  2. Wrongway, Mar 3, 2020

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    If you are considering betting the “dark side”
    Good craps etiquette is to be seen but not heard. Naturally hold off on any visible signs of joy when the shooter sevens out.
    Consider, out of respect, not betting when the player next to you is the shooter. It won’t kill you taking a break for his roll.
    I strongly recommend not shooting if you are a “don’t player”. You will more than likely shoot yourself in the foot and look particularly stupid in the process.
    If celebrating and enjoying the positive vibe of a long roll at a table is important to you then playing the “don’ts” is not for you. To the majority of players that camaraderie is all part of the attraction of craps.
     
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  3. Dave G Ct, Mar 3, 2020

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    Nice post!
     
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  4. KokomoJoe4, Mar 3, 2020

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    Excellent post WW, and yes, when I shift between Do and Don't, I nearly always get it wrong.
     
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  5. Liman

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    I get a kick out of some guy betting 5 bucks on the don't when a table is on a 20 minute roll
    Then the don't bettor starts shouting come on 777777!

    Any experienced craps player doesn't care what someone else bets

    Enjoy the don't
     
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  6. lone irish digit, Mar 3, 2020

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    This is Barney

    From the title of thread, I just assumed the Duck personage was the author...
     
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  7. basicstrategy777, Mar 4, 2020

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    The OP's post was intelligent......and expressed his point of view very well.....hard if not impossible to refute anything he said....

    My unsupportable, impossible to justify point of view is I try to destroy don't players when i see them.....they are bad karma for the table.....they are sand in the machine.....they need to be eliminated quickly and removed......I don't like them......I try hard not to be overtly hostile but they get my drift.....I wish I could be more adult and rational in my thinking.......I guess the craps table is a microcosm of society.

    "A man who has made no enemies is probably not a very good man.".....

    777
     
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  8. von duck, Mar 4, 2020

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    I love don't players, the more the better. If I'm on the don't, and some F'ked-up MF like BS777 is shooting and giving me the evil eye, I just say to him, hey look MF, either I'm betting you right, in which case you should have no bitch, or your going to win and I'm going to lose, what's the problem. Believe me when I tell you, you're much better off, with heavy don't players at the table. :cool:
     
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  9. Liman

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    Ive met basic, never met you, and Im usually a good judge of people, Im pretty certain basic would knock you out if you called him MF at a table. And then maybe stomp on you a few times for fun. maybe tie you to the back of his vette and drag you around a bit. all for fun.
     
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  10. von duck, Mar 4, 2020

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    That old coot? :confused: I'll bet I could take him down and choke him out in 15 seconds. :cool: And I wouldn't harm a hair on his head, doing it.
     
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  11. yacraps, Mar 4, 2020

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    [email protected]#$king Liman..LOL..sounds like the knee is doing better
     
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  12. yacraps, Mar 4, 2020

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    LOL...shiiiiit Duck you and whose army...oh and you better bring a lunch...cause its gonna take you guys all day...o_O little Leo would take care of 777s light work :)
     
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  13. basicstrategy777, Mar 5, 2020

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    Liman....I very much enjoyed our time together at the tables and the breaking of bread with you and your lovely wife.............Due to my circumstance it is very difficult to get out, however, I promise we will do it again......I would like to meet up with Koko as well.........as a matter of fact, there are several here I would like to meet........I said a long time ago that I put 20 into a million(s) dollar slot everytime I went/go.....and if I win I will pay for plane tickets ( for you and significant other) and stake each to a 5000 credit line and overnite stay to a nice casino......my win would have to be a minimum of a million......granted a long shot........I was hoping others would make the same offer but got no responses, but that's OK..........there are some here I would really like to meet, even one or two haters..........and you are correct Liman, I would kick that ducks ass and mop the floor with him....and like all my 'encounters' it is important they end quick.....don't blink............I enjoy reading of your many trips as well as those of random, koko and others.......keep chuckin' those galloping dominos.

    777
     
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    From my experience, the don't player in AUS doesn't draw anywhere near the disdain that he does in the US. If any right side player behaves in any hostile way to a don't player he/she is usually inexperienced or does so because that is what they have read and assume they need to act accordingly. Players are mostly amicable down under but as usual there are A-holes here as well.
     
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  15. von duck, Mar 6, 2020

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    I love the don't players, bring them on! :)
     
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