Is DI real?

Discussion in 'Dice Influencing' started by lone irish digit, Jun 26, 2016.

  1. lone irish digit, Jun 26, 2016

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    Personally, I think DI is possible, the edge is small, you need a big bankroll and play low HE bets to make a living from it. However, if you listen to the experts on this forum you get very differing views. James Hall says its possible and he is killing Vegas when he plays. The polish math study said it was possible to influence the dice but the influence is very small. Then there is one of the top craps experts in America who lives in Vegas and says DI is impossible. This so-called expert built a machine which shows that James Hall must be full of shit. Here is his video which he counters most of what James Hall says....
     
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  2. HornHiYo, Jun 26, 2016

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    But that was yesterday.
     
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  3. Settingcanthurt, Jun 26, 2016

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    Sounds like eagleshit in the backround
     
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  4. Jack_The_Ripper, Jun 26, 2016

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    Lmfao!
     
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  5. Jack_The_Ripper, Jun 26, 2016

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    The dice are not hitting the back wall, there is no relevance to this test and is a total wash and waste of server space on YouTube!
     
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  6. Twelve4s, Jun 26, 2016

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    Sounds like SR to me. I can see an academy award in his future, or maybe a Nobel prize in physics. Even Issac Newton would be impressed by his understanding of gravity!
     
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  7. Settingcanthurt, Jun 26, 2016

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    Damit I was making one of those dice tossers
     
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  8. Dave G Ct, Jun 26, 2016

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    Worst video ever made.Where is Hightower when you need him? Lone Irish - Linaway in the wings?
     
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  9. 514natural, Jun 26, 2016

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    I believe...somewhat, in DI, but its hardly enough to give u a significant edge over the casino.I set the dice, 3v and try to control my toss, it generally gets me an 8 or 6 ,when i miss a toss (if da dice roll back towards me), any result cud occur. This doesn't change the fact that i can 7 out.which sucks, so since avoiding this is the ultimate goal i wouldnt praise dice influencing as an authentic method of "breaking the bank" you'd have a better chance counting cards. BUT, it might sound, contradicting, i just cant go back to rolling and throwing the dice, not anymore.
     
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  10. betwthelines, Jun 26, 2016

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    not contradictory at all...you can't go back because your setting is FUN! for you...

    ...and fun is what it's all about...

    tom p

    "fun is good" --trademark of the st paul saints
     
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  11. Night Attack, Jun 27, 2016

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    I'm with you on this one as it definitely sounds like SR on that video.

    Not a bad effort but no way is that rig accurate. Plenty of times those dice were not set square and that chute is curved and allows the dice to move on the way down especially when they are not set square. And the release by hand cannot be exact each time and I dare say the dice need to be far enough apart so that they do not interfere with each other for this experiment. And are the dice in the video fair dice? Let's assume they are as SR would have used a pair from his unbiased dice drawer.

    Good effort SR but if you can make the necessary improvements you may have something.
     
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  12. Liman

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    I think the dice sliding down the chute will even themselves out centering down the center of the runway no matter how they start out.
     
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  13. Onautopilot, Jun 27, 2016

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  14. Twelve4s, Jun 27, 2016

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    T-Shirt business is booming! Better than DI schools, maybe.
     
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  15. Jack_The_Ripper, Jun 27, 2016

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    Cant remember who posted it but I def. wouldn't mind having the one shirt made up with Hitler on it and the title Axis Power Craps that was above it lol that was some funny shit and would wear it to the casino craps table for kicks!
     
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  16. Night Attack, Jun 28, 2016

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    I'm not going to look through the whole video again and from what I recall most of them seemed to come out straight down the chute but if you look at the second trial which was right after the one minute mark you will see that the die on the left shoots straight out to the right coming out of the chute and I do not think it came into contact with the other die.
    My thinking is that in that particular design the dice may swivel on the way down and it would not take much for them to tilt off axis and you would get skewed results. As I said most looked to come out straight but we can't actually see what happens on the way down the chute.

    I liken it to a field goal kicker where most field goals that are missed seem to be from the hash marks. Why? I think because if he kicked it straight he'd probably hit the post so he makes a small angle adjustment to bring it inside the post and that small angle adjustment is magnified 40-50 yards downfield. Same with those dice down that chute. It would only take a very small tilt to get them off axis so I beliveve they really need to be set and come out square.

    I had a golf analogy too but I know how you feel about those.
     
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  17. twodicebilly, Jun 28, 2016

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    Of course dice influencing is possible, the only
    question is does it matter.

    One of the big misconceptions about it is positioned
    by people like TDV and Auto guy and others like Math
    and MRV on the Wizards board is that if it was possible
    and if you could do it you could make millions and if your
    not full time in craps your a fraud.

    Number 1 all these characters forget about the effect of
    playing a negative expectation game for "all" people.

    If you look at a guy that plays 2-3 times a week and is a
    random player he should expect to lose a number of
    thousands of dollars per year. $10,000 or more would not
    be an unreasonable estimate. If you have any edge, and
    understanding no edge is constant, you many to play the
    same way for a year and break even or lose a tad or win
    a tad...... your work has had some affect.

    The anti Di guys call "fraud" where are the millions... where is
    the proof.... I say don't be so friggin stupid.. even means
    your having some affect, which for most of us that is all
    we expected.

    twodicebilly
     
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  18. tabletop123, Jun 28, 2016

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    I'll drink or smoke to that! If i break even or lose a few bucks THINKING its BECAUSE of THE WAY that i toss the dice...... I'm happy! Whether there's influence or not,......I'm just NOT gonna Fling the dice down the table! Now, if this mode of thinking labels me as a person that unquestionaby believes in Dice Influencing ON ANY EQUIPMENT...... Guilty, Your Honor, & please reduce my sentence for Acceptance of Reponsibility!
     
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  19. TDVegas, Jun 29, 2016

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    What I am hearing more and more from you is random roller. "When I'm winning, it's DI. When I'm losing, it's not DI or it wasn't working".

    A true DI would have done some basic calculations on his edge and what he feels he is confident in doing. If he's not confident, it's fleeting, bad days happen...again, I'm hearing random roller.

    Random rollers DO win. They can go to the casino and have a very nice session. I suspect this is what is happening to you. The only issue is you are interpreting it as DI.

    A confident DI can exploit the skill, much like a confident and skilled card counter can.

    If he says he can't, he's not a dice influencer.
     
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  20. Craps Poopshoot, Jun 29, 2016

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    LOL! What it is, is that these self-acclaimed DI's simply believe that their 'Jedi mind tricks' or 'belief power' will somehow influence the dice for a favorable result.

    here is what a DI coach is teaching:
    Happy thoughts = Happy rolls!

    I have yet to hear of, meet, or otherwise have knowledge of that Craps player who plays everyday, who only bets on their own rolls, and who only bets on the 6 and 8. Why is this? Because DI is a myth, a fantasy created by those who love Craps but seldom play. It is a fantasy created to amuse the mind in those dreary times.

    How much more do you need, does anyone need, to know that DI is all hope and dreams, but no substance.
     
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